Re: Dano Cool Cat................ CLONES!?!
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:24 pm
TweedBassman wrote:those filter caps don't have any huge affect on the tone, just power filtering i believe. the 100uf value was probably chosen over paul's 47uf for financial reasons. now, the op-amp is actually different, and THAT will make them sound different... so all this might be moot.
OK, thanks for the info. My knowledge of DIY, circuit design, and electronics in general would not allow me to distinguish shit from shinola.
there's entire websites devoted to complaining about it! FSB, DIYstomps etc etc... there are giant active online communities who regularly purchase 'gooped' pedals or famous clones with the sole intent of outing the builder! and they HATE it! and now... FSB has discovered the opposite, a major company clones something original from a small builder, and it's 'hey whoa whoa... whatcha gonna do, payback's a bitch clonez iz clonez'? the hypocrisy and double standard works both ways.
as far as the argument of hypocrisy and double standards, why can't the big guys do it back to the little guys, there is no argument, they can. i never said they couldn't. in the grand scheme of macro-economics, if you really want to get into it, it's pretty much necessary or prices for raw materials will skyrocket for everyone. if there's no competition, there's no growth. it's cyclical just like any other product... there's coke and pepsi, then fake coke and pepsi, then booteek flavored super soda... then coke and pepsi's booteek flavored super soda. ya just gotta adapt.
what DOES piss me off is the obvious fact that a large corporation has chosen a VERY small operation, a person, who makes his living and feeds his family and pays his mortgage with these things. sure, it may not affect him much at all in the end... but how do you think he feels? how would you feel? what do you do for a living? how would you like to work hard, do something original, earn almost nothing, help everyone who asked and then-some for 12 years, and then have some other guy palm off a cheap copy of your work as their own? the double standard you speak of applies here too. all of the toobscreamers and big muffs etc are (arguably) improvements on the major company's designs. this is a major downgrade. that's my biased opinion.
As to your first paragraph, yeah I know about those websites. I just never read them, because my aforementioned lack of knowledge about circuit design/components makes it akin to going to a chinese message board. And since these discussions rarely come up here or at Talkbass, I rarely hear them. What I DO hear about all the time, is people talking about how certain pedals are Muff/tubescreamer/fuzzface/etc clones, and everyone seems perfectly happy/enthusiastic with that, even when the actual differences are rather miniscule. The fact that this has become a big enough bruhaha to spill over into the few boards that I frequent made me wonder what the BFD is. And that brings me to what I viewed as a double-standard. Because no one is talking about whether the few little changes Dano made are improvements or not. They are just saying how wrong it is that Dano cloned a small builder's design. As for my job, it's hard for me to relate my job to what Paul (or Devi for that matter) does, because I don't create any sort of product per se, I am in more of a support role, and I live rather comfortably with a good salary (which is not bragging on my part whatsoever, I thank the cosmos/luck/ether every day that my job is relatively secure in this market)
(all of this is just for discussion. i hold no ill will towards anyone or their opinions.i just think it's very interesting.)
Ditto, no hard feelings to anyone on this, I thought it was a really interesting conversation
