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Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:23 am
by devnulljp
bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
It's funny because up until the Billy Corgan/Siamese Dream muff pic, you couldn't
give those things away. All the corksnifferry about how it's not a proper muff without transistors. (I think they sound more like a Rat + muff than a 'proper' muff on its own).
I sold three of them -- took months and I think they went for ~$90 each...which is fine because I got them for ~$50. Sold the last one two weeks before the Billy Corgan blog post.
And that was just last year! Now they're all $2~300, because they're the SD muff. Crazy.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:07 am
by rbtr
nbabmf wrote:Insane-o Muff variant built around a Russian Muff board. No gut shots because that shit is crammed in there. It's a clean build though, I promise!
The left toggle switches between standard mid scoop and flat mids, and the right toggle switches between standard silicon and hybrid germanium/silicon clipping. There are some other cool mods that form the basis of the sound... huge input cap for big fat tones (and a larger output cap as well), wide open gain stages with treble cuts at certain points in the circuit to keep it from getting fizzy, and LEDs in the second clipping stage to keep it from being too compressed when cranked up.
This is my current muff, it has antlers, so a Russian woman wouldn't be able to use it to warm her hands. It is nice and hefty, very warm, very dynamic. It plays very well with others. Especially octaves.
The first pedal I bought was a newer black russian muff for 55 dollars. It was magical, through my small solid state vox amp. I wanted to sound like the white stripes, but it was black sabbath in a box. It gave me a lot of confidence, because my guitar sounded like I thought one should. I held onto that thing forever, still have it. I also owned a Big muff pi w/ tone wicker. I bought it for myself as a birthday gift. I enjoyed it. I found the tone bypass kinda worthless, and the wicker as well. But stock it was a nice enough muff. Much more consistent than my Russian. I traded it to cody_pole for a fuzzhugger upper.
I like big muffs a lot. It's a very nice sound to me. I find them pretty versatile, depending on how you treat them. They play very nicely with other effects, both before and after. I HATE boosting into muffs though, they get so squashy and compressed...I never have understood how Gilmour or whoever else could get such nice sounds by doing that. I run my boost after my muff. I let the boost pick it up, and carry it, and add a little color.
Some awesome muff in this thread.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:56 am
by Heatmonger
bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
I have been into effects for quite a while and have never heard of the IC muff. Is this the new flavor of the month, or a main stay? The sound clips I've tracked down don't sound very "muffy" at all, sounds a lot... Crispier.
Does the IC get bassy/boomy/doomy?
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:43 am
by bigchiefbc
devnulljp wrote:bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
It's funny because up until the Billy Corgan/Siamese Dream muff pic, you couldn't
give those things away. All the corksnifferry about how it's not a proper muff without transistors. (I think they sound more like a Rat + muff than a 'proper' muff on its own).
I sold three of them -- took months and I think they went for ~$90 each...which is fine because I got them for ~$50. Sold the last one two weeks before the Billy Corgan blog post.
And that was just last year! Now they're all $2~300, because they're the SD muff. Crazy.
Yeah, I'm actually a bit annoyed by that whole thing, since my wanting an IC Muff has nothing to do with Billy or his sound, and all it did was make them more expensive
And a lot of the time I have the tone bypass turned on, which makes it not really sound very muff-like at all.
It's actually this site's description of the sound of all the different big muff generations that led me to wanting to try the ic muff:
http://www.kitrae.net/music/big_muff_op ... story.html
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:39 pm
by Bassboar
Heatmonger wrote:bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
I have been into effects for quite a while and have never heard of the IC muff. Is this the new flavor of the month, or a main stay? The sound clips I've tracked down don't sound very "muffy" at all, sounds a lot... Crispier.
Does the IC get bassy/boomy/doomy?
No. Atleast not from what I can hear.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:09 pm
by bubstance
Heatmonger wrote:bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
I have been into effects for quite a while and have never heard of the IC muff. Is this the new flavor of the month, or a main stay? The sound clips I've tracked down don't sound very "muffy" at all, sounds a lot... Crispier.
Does the IC get bassy/boomy/doomy?
It's been around since the late '70s, so I wouldn't say it's a flavor of the month. I've always loved 'em (I got mine super cheap used in the early '90s), but ever since people found out that the Corgan used it as his main Muff everyone went batshit. I've always found it a bit clearer at more present in the mids, but it can still get plenty wooly and boomy if you roll back the tone control. Same as any muff.
But, to be fair, if you're rolling your Muff's tone knob back, you're doing it wrong.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:42 pm
by rbtr
bubstance wrote:Heatmonger wrote:bubstance wrote:IC muff is all you need.
Ever.
I have been into effects for quite a while and have never heard of the IC muff. Is this the new flavor of the month, or a main stay? The sound clips I've tracked down don't sound very "muffy" at all, sounds a lot... Crispier.
Does the IC get bassy/boomy/doomy?
It's been around since the late '70s, so I wouldn't say it's a flavor of the month. I've always loved 'em (I got mine super cheap used in the early '90s), but ever since people found out that the Corgan used it as his main Muff everyone went batshit. I've always found it a bit clearer at more present in the mids, but it can still get plenty wooly and boomy if you roll back the tone control. Same as any muff.
But, to be fair, if you're rolling your Muff's tone knob back, you're doing it wrong.
I think because they are now really popular because Corgan said he used one would make them flavor of the month. Everybody who had been around has remarked that it was tough to get rid of them at one point. Sure they've been around forever, but they have not been popular forever!
I totally want one though
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:21 pm
by MaxMaps
now that I have a new amp I have to try this IC muff every is talking about.
So with a clean blend? yes no?
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:08 pm
by masked elwood
for some reason i have never got on with muffs. don't know why but they don't work for me.
that being said....the big muff deluxe is the one i like the most. no one else seems to like them so i guess it's up to me to give them love.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:39 am
by D.o.S.
MaxMaps wrote:So with a clean blend? yes no?
Absolutely not. Clean blend is about as fun as bleeding sores on your reproductive parts*.
*And being forced to wear an "my junk has sores that drip blood" t-shirt for eternity.
Like this one:
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:57 am
by Mudfuzz
D.o.S. wrote:MaxMaps wrote:So with a clean blend? yes no?
Absolutely not. Clean blend is about as fun as bleeding sores on your reproductive parts*.
*And being forced to wear an "my junk has sores that drip blood" t-shirt for eternity.
Like this one:
I find clean blends plenty fun! When you start stacking blends are cool because you can get nice layering happening, makes it all bigger and more complex sounding
As for muffs...
I have: Green, Black, NYC, a GGG Tuned and a Katana Sound Thunder Cloud. The Green is my fave for thick & smooth and BIG WALL OF DOOM, and the Thundercloud is my fave for grindy and BIG ROARING. The NYC is.. ok, sort'a lofi in a good way... the black is a almost a green but not... and the GGG is like a nasty green with more mids
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:58 am
by D.o.S.
Mudfuzz wrote:I find clean blends plenty fun! When you start stacking blends are cool because you can get nice layering happening, makes it all bigger and more complex sounding
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:11 pm
by ateah
kinda miss all three of these guys
rehoused 80's muff, NYC RI
I like/miss my muffs, but my great wall is a good replacement.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:32 pm
by smile_man
masked elwood wrote:that being said....the big muff deluxe is the one i like the most. no one else seems to like them so i guess it's up to me to give them love.
oh no you didnt.
if i had to choose one fuzz/dist. to play forever it would be a deluxe muff.
Re: Muff Love
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:10 pm
by Heatmonger
Any muffs or muff-clones that can take a good palm mute? Most of them I have used seem to sound pretty flatulent when muting.
