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Bassus Sanguinis wrote:...and if You're heavily into shamanistic ethnobotanics and prepared to study a bit all this stuff, Erowids' Your friend. http://www.erowid.org/

Ah,yes-Erowid. I've definitely done a fair amount of research. And with that,you sort of have to take into account,that our internal chemical make ups are different. Different substances will affect different people in different ways. For instance,I've read reports of people using Lion's Tail and getting off on it. All it has done to me is make my body feel sort of heavy and a little more relaxed. And that's pretty cool,but I wouldn't classify it as a "high". Calea(or dream herb) actually did give me a bit of a brief,weed-like buzz,but the real magic happened when I went to sleep. Out of body type dreams I'd like to learn more about San Pedro Cactus and Peruvian Torch,specifically,what parts are consumed,how they are consumed,appropriate dosage,etc. But mostly looking for a good chill-out type of natural buz,a la weed,but-not-weed-type of thing. Waiting on my Pedicularis to get here. And after I smoke a test dose,I'll give a review.

maz91379 wrote:But idk i'm still kinda sketched out about research chemicals you are still in the hands of third world grey labs and the "retailers" not to mention that most of the compounds haven't been tested lots.

1000 times this. please take care that whatever you take has been documented as safe. i knew a lovely man who was part of the Burning Man scene and hung out with me when i was doing radio broadcasts there back around the turn of the Millenium. one weekend a few years ago he and his gf were found dead; it's thought they tried some unknown designer drug which was fatal since toxicology tests found no known cause of death.

dubkitty wrote:
1000 times this. please take care that whatever you take has been documented as safe. i knew a lovely man who was part of the Burning Man scene and hung out with me when i was doing radio broadcasts there back around the turn of the Millenium. one weekend a few years ago he and his gf were found dead; it's thought they tried some unknown designer drug which was fatal since toxicology tests found no known cause of death.

Sorry for the loss of yr friend,man. And don't worry. Anything I might try will first be heavily researched. My "gobble up whatever drugs are laid out before me" days are long gone. I've done a fair amount of research on the Pedicularis. And when you consume it in a tea or eat it,there's a slight chance of tumors on the liver. However,smoking it,there's not much risk involved,aside from the smoke inhalation. And also,you have to get it from a reliable source(which I did),because it's semi-parasitic(so there's potential for it to absorb poisons from neighboring plants). What I'm getting is lab-grown,away from other plants. I have asked the vendor several key questions before placing my order,and researched the reputation of said vendor.

i figured you were careful; i just felt it needed saying. they were dance-music scene people, and in those days there was a lot of self-testing of new compounds going on. folks in that scene were into a number of known drugs that were/are potentially lethal, ketamine and so on, and then people started fucking around trying to make altered legal versions. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER.

dubkitty wrote:i figured you were careful; i just felt it needed saying. they were dance-music scene people, and in those days there was a lot of self-testing of new compounds going on. folks in that scene were into a number of known drugs that were/are potentially lethal, ketamine and so on, and then people started fucking around trying to make altered legal versions. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER.

Indeed. Basically,anything I'll experiment with will be entirely natural,pending extensive research. I'm too purdy to die just yet

Be careful of the whole "natural is safe" thought process, plenty of synthetic stuff is very safe and easier to dose properly and plenty of "natural" stuff can kill you outright.

Stay away from Erowid in my opinion, it's very unreliable and unscientific. Particularly stay away from the "recommended dose" sections, they're often wrong and never take into account body type, weight etc.

Most of all though, if any of this "legal stuff" were actually any good... It'd be illegal. Or at least popular. I honestly think you should just ask around more for a good weed hook. Save you all the trouble of researching and ordering generally ineffective and possibly dangerous garbage off the internet.

Hang around some practice spaces, follow that skunky smell at bars, maybe even talk to a black person. People who sell weed pretty much never have enough customers, when I was dealing I was constantly looking for people to sell to and always had waaaay more than I knew what to do with.

If you really need to get a buzz order some 2c-e, way safer than some plant matter sprayed with chemicals anyways and a high very comparable to E. Things like aminitas, San Pedro cactui and the like are more likely to make you throw up than trip. And you can always just order Salvia online, I'm sure most sites dont give a shit that it's illegal in Alabama.

(what's bad weed from Alabama called? Alabammer.)

Yeah,totally agree on Erowid. Also,have reconsidered on the cactii/amanitas. Too much trouble and I've already tripped WAAAAY too many times in my life lol There are NO practice spaces in Valley,AL.,haha,and I did ask a black guy what's what,to which he replied"you and me are in the same boat". And I can't imagine that me in a local watering hole would end well.

The Indian Warrior I ordered has been touted on many different forums, along with the legal buds from LHS (who I contacted and are confident enough to send me a free sample). But yeah,I agree with you on most points. But I will be moderate in my usage of such things,and I don't always buy into the whole "natural is safer" argument either. Thanks for the concern(in all seriousness )

BouncingBearBotanicals is legit, no worries there. If you're looking for good info on san pedro/etc and its prep/dosage, I would suggest reading anything from John Allen. Very known in the mycology world, and other studies as well. He has a good writeup out there for cactus. I might have a few of his things still, lemme try and dig it up.

Jero wrote:BouncingBearBotanicals is legit, no worries there. If you're looking for good info on san pedro/etc and its prep/dosage, I would suggest reading anything from John Allen. Very known in the mycology world, and other studies as well. He has a good writeup out there for cactus. I might have a few of his things still, lemme try and dig it up.

Intriguing. I've checked out BBB. Seems cool. Anybody ever had any blue lotus/lily?

Something tells me you'll like the Indian Warrior. I am,after all,a gardener

Bro do you just wanna paypal me some money and I'll go to the clinic and pick you up some dank ass shit and mail it to you?

Can you do that? I mean they don't have dogs sniffing all the envelopes or somethin do they? I'll put that shit in a 1590b for ya.

maz91379 wrote:

Officer Bukowski wrote:Bro do you just wanna paypal me some money and I'll go to the clinic and pick you up some dank ass shit and mail it to you?

Can you do that? I mean they don't have dogs sniffing all the envelopes or somethin do they? I'll put that shit in a 1590b for ya.

I really hope this is a joke we don't need pigs that don't like fuzz around here. I mean pm ? " look Dan-o(lol) they are selling reefers in metal enclosures and calling them buzz pedals"


also just wondering but i thought bbb got raided is it back up?

BBB is back up. What was the raid all about?

Officer Bukowski wrote:Bro do you just wanna paypal me some money and I'll go to the clinic and pick you up some dank ass shit and mail it to you?

Can you do that? I mean they don't have dogs sniffing all the envelopes or somethin do they? I'll put that shit in a 1590b for ya.

Very sweet of you to offer,man. But I kinda think that might lead to trouble around here. We don't wanna hear about ILF on the news. And actually,I may not be able to smoke any weed for awhile,as I may have a forthcoming legal matter to attend to. But really,I appreciate the offer

maz91379 wrote:Basically the fda raided because of k2 and various botanicals / charged them with intent to distribute mescaline,lsa,dmt

Charges got dropped as the cops jumped the gun before selling cacti in kansas was illegal.

Also god damn it i totally missed a golden opportunity to refer to the police as the fuzz who aren't interested in fuzz.

good to hear the charges got dropped. Hopefully,my free sample and my indian warrior arrive today

OK,so the Indian Warrior is the shit! About like smoking some midgrade weed. But when you crash,prepare for the best sleep ever. As far as the legal bud sample,(which I used on top of the Indian Warrior)it definitely worked. Shit was amazing. Gonna single them out during the day and see how they work alone. Should be fun!