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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:03 pm
by new05002
Ancient Astronaught wrote:Nice!!!! Is it a multi setting tele switch or something?


4 poles, 5 positions. Yes people do use them for Tele for 5 way switching but Im going to do it like this.

1. Bridge.
2. Bridge Coil Tapped
3. Neck
4. Neck Coil Tapped
5. Series the Neck and Bridge Coil Tap

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:07 pm
by new05002
Looks kinda like this

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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:07 pm
by ryan summit
holy shit
since i seem to like wiring
lame pickups into my guitar
cant i just put it in the middle
of the bridge and neck
and use that megswitch
im guessing so with all them terminals

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:09 pm
by samzadgan
new05002 wrote:
Ancient Astronaught wrote:Nice!!!! Is it a multi setting tele switch or something?


4 poles, 5 positions. Yes people do use them for Tele for 5 way switching but Im going to do it like this.

1. Bridge.
2. Bridge Coil Tapped
3. Neck
4. Neck Coil Tapped
5. Series the Neck and Bridge Coil Tap


nice man...i like coil tapping...but i could never stand that whole push/pull volume knob thing. I find that completely unusable. But this multi switch is excellent. I'm still tossing whether to do this on my LP, or change humbuckers out for some P90's.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:10 pm
by new05002
ryan summit wrote:holy shit
since i seem to like wiring
lame pickups into my guitars
cant i just put it in the middle
of the bridge and neck
and use that megswitch
im guessing so with all them terminals


you can. I only like to series p90s, or singular coils so you get this very wide humbucker which kind of melds the bridge and neck together. Its an awesome mode on a tele.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:10 pm
by new05002
samzadgan wrote:
new05002 wrote:
Ancient Astronaught wrote:Nice!!!! Is it a multi setting tele switch or something?


4 poles, 5 positions. Yes people do use them for Tele for 5 way switching but Im going to do it like this.

1. Bridge.
2. Bridge Coil Tapped
3. Neck
4. Neck Coil Tapped
5. Series the Neck and Bridge Coil Tap


nice man...i like coil tapping...but i could never stand that whole push/pull volume knob thing. I find that completely unusable. But this multi switch is excellent. I'm still tossing whether to do this on my LP, or change humbuckers out for some P90's.


if they made CTS pots with DPDT switches i would do it that way but they dont so i am going with the this switch. Of course its already routed for it in my baritone so it makes sense

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:20 pm
by ryan summit
not sure why i need to clarify
maybe cause john is on here now
but i only have one guitar
i did just recieve a teisco pickup in the mail
from the_carl
so now i think its time for new one
so i edeited the plural out up there

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:33 pm
by D-Day
new05002 wrote:Interestingly the Post 74' scheme on OAFG is the Matamp GT120 from the 70s while the pre-74 stuff is an AC coupled cathodyne. I prefer the Matamp design. The main difference is that the Matamp design is DC coupled and the Orange one is AC coupled. Now the OrMats also used the Matamp design as well since they were built by Matamp. By 72' they changed from the Matamp design to the AC coupled and by 74' they converted back. So overall i am not sure what they mean by it being faulty to be honest.


Yeah I remember you and I discussing this on the phone. Obviously there's not much for me to discuss being generally ignorant of tube theory and application. But those guys have worked on dozens and dozens (hundreds even?) of Oranges and Mike was even considered a bit of an authority on the brand back in the 80s so I can't really see them selling snake oil with this. What is probably happening here is that I am woefully inadequate with my explanation of their explanation. I have seen this kind of thing happen on the internet :animal:

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:36 pm
by new05002
D-Day wrote:
new05002 wrote:Interestingly the Post 74' scheme on OAFG is the Matamp GT120 from the 70s while the pre-74 stuff is an AC coupled cathodyne. I prefer the Matamp design. The main difference is that the Matamp design is DC coupled and the Orange one is AC coupled. Now the OrMats also used the Matamp design as well since they were built by Matamp. By 72' they changed from the Matamp design to the AC coupled and by 74' they converted back. So overall i am not sure what they mean by it being faulty to be honest.


Yeah I remember you and I discussing this on the phone. Obviously there's not much for me to discuss being generally ignorant of tube theory and application. But those guys have worked on dozens and dozens (hundreds even?) of Oranges and Mike was even considered a bit of an authority on the brand back in the 80s so I can't really see them selling snake oil with this. What is probably happening here is that I am woefully inadequate with my explanation of their explanation. I have seen this kind of thing happen on the internet :animal:


I have seen the discussion between pre and post 74 on OAFG, but the reasons were tonal rather than anything else according to the site. Unless the original schemes for the early OR models are wrong I just dont know. Maybe something I can ask mike directly if we come to Seattle. I myself have not worked on any of those amps, just the practical experience of building the 70s GT120 type amps. Never seen issues with the PI. The cathodyne has some wonky behavior when its overdriven, but thats kind of part of its charm and it happens in both the AC and DC coupled cases. Pass along my inquiry to mike and see what he says.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:47 pm
by D-Day
I can tell you that that is the sort of thing both Mike and Bill could get really into discussing at length. They'd probably open the floodgates for a guy that actually knows his shit. It'd be funny if it's just pre 74 vs post and I'm just a dunce. Stranger things have happened! My point is that you should hurry up and visit Seatown dude!

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:48 pm
by new05002
D-Day wrote:I can tell you that that is the sort of thing both Mike and Bill could get really into discussing at length. They'd probably open the floodgates for a guy that actually knows his shit. It'd be funny if it's just pre 74 vs post and I'm just a dunce. Stranger things have happened! My point is that you should hurry up and visit Seatown dude!


the woman and I were talking about it. We still debating where we wanna go. Im pulling for Seattle. I even used the "we can go see Ancient Warlocks" line as she loves the tracks I have from you guys.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:50 pm
by D-Day
Well I am the king of the driving tour and can point you in cool nontourist directions as well. Plus shows. Plus Mike and Ben.

BTW, 12au7 Henge experiment finally takes place tonight!

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:52 pm
by new05002
D-Day wrote:Well I am the king of the driving tour and can point you in cool nontourist directions as well. Plus shows. Plus Mike and Ben.

BTW, 12au7 Henge experiment finally takes place tonight!


yea. I said D can show us around. I will let u know if that happens. Id love to see all that cool amp shit 2.

Good luck on the experiment. V1 or V2 or both! Maybe it helps you fall in love with it again.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:54 pm
by D-Day
I only have one! F'n classic.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:55 pm
by new05002
D-Day wrote:I only have one! F'n classic.


try it in V2 then. I think it will have more use their since V1 is already a 12at7 and you can trim that stages gain down. But try both 2. Swap V1 into V2, then 12au7 in V1.