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let me put it differently: i think the whole different flavors of lo-fi thing is getting played out if it's not already. from a distance it seems like there are a lot of awfully expensive pedals that mainly are minor variations on a few actual concepts, often don't do anything particularly compelling other than combine already extant sonic doodads, and don't really have much of a use case outside of twiddling knobs at home. i guess that after a certain point the subtleties are lost, and that point seems to involve combining more than two sounds in the rest of your gear. one person's subtlety is another's amorphous moosh. i see a lot of talk about this category of pedals, but i seldom see anyone talking about using them in actual applications other than noodling in front of a videocam.

For me it's not a must-have, but it might be a I'll-get-one-because-I-want-to-buy-myself-something kind of deal.

I'm just amused imagining someone at CBA going on ebay to buy Tamagotchis and old ipods just for a pedal photo shoot.

I only watched 3/4ths of the Knobs demo, but I'm absolutely in for when the flips crest in a few months and somebuddy riche'r takes the (non-generational) loss, but I don't know who's gonna bite that isn't in the target demographic that all this marketing is geared toward.

In fact, I'm at a (non-generational) loss to understand just how the noises it emits and the marketing really works together...because, well....it doesn't? Maybe I'm just too dumb and should wait for Keeley release the reverse colorvvay'd Chuck Person's ECCOJAM, or the inevitable Alexander Floral Shoppe 2.0?

I just like what this thing does (but obvs knott the prix), but like ecco said, it's really alright that I don't have one when I have two or three pedals I can staque rite now! and get there. Wish I hadn't sold that NS-2, since it did the poor ducking thing that owning crappy equipment can only sound like........which brings me to the center of the tootsie roll:

As a reasonably out of touch person (with the peddle whirld, at least in the $400 a pop range), I don't know who this device is really for. A 'roid'd out Radio Havana is not what anyone probably eggspekdetd, but is that what all these kids crave? Iss tiktokg messing with the sperm/egg counts? Why would anyone want a VEVO'd 4'33 visualizer? Do they know it's Christmas? PPl with $10K rigs of pure, unfettered tone, what is the toner boner owner 2 du? To mine tinned ears it's basically the inverse of the SNES shrimpboat massacre jarlacost ILF always wanted, I am here for it, but I don't knead a pleasing, sun-baked color palatte or harp lady to convince me. But knobs did convince me, so I guess, in some sick n' d-mented vvay, so did Harp Lady. Also, I'll probably never touch a plug-in for the rest of my life......but I'll always wanna touch a peddle. ::::lildebbilgif:::



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Ha, for whatever it's worth, I was in immediately in love with the Lossy when I started watching the videos. I could totally jam with it, and could see it being really useable in a live setting for extra textures. But like all the Chase Bliss stuff, it's way outta my price range.

zeravla wrote:I'm just amused imagining someone at CBA going on ebay to buy Tamagotchis and old ipods just for a pedal photo shoot.

Bigger question: who is still making sure those acquired Tamagotchis are getting fed TODAY!?!??!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJXnB1iJ3w

Well dang…I thought the lossy sounded cool. What combinations of existing pedals would you stack to get similar sounds? It sounds unique to me

le lambin wrote:Well dang…I thought the lossy sounded cool. What combinations of existing pedals would you stack to get similar sounds? It sounds unique to me

I think the most straightforward option would be getting one of the aliasing pedals from Dedalo.

aliaser + room/hall reverb (if you had a chorus pedal with pseudo-random modulation that would also add some dimension. modulation > reverb > aliaser or R>M>A)

I imagine that a TC Hall of Fame into a Caroline Somersault into an ALU9 would cover a lot of the same ground, but depending on someone's location/import fees, you'd be spending anywhere from $400-550 USD to get three pedals instead of one.

http://www.dedalofx.com.ar/alu9
http://www.dedalofx.com.ar/a37

The Alesis Ineko has banks like Decimator and Trash Can reverb, but they're a ridiculous $375 now (thanks Reverb).

Kinda surprised this is only $300, given TE's recent history.

https://teenage.engineering/products/ep-133

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboar ... r-composer (already stocked at some dealers)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Apt7lhY64

how odd. they're selling it as a sampler, but it appears to work like a sampling synth controlled by a drum machine. seems to put most of the emphasis on making beats.

dubkitty wrote:let me put it differently: i think the whole different flavors of lo-fi thing is getting played out if it's not already. from a distance it seems like there are a lot of awfully expensive pedals that mainly are minor variations on a few actual concepts, often don't do anything particularly compelling other than combine already extant sonic doodads, and don't really have much of a use case outside of twiddling knobs at home. i guess that after a certain point the subtleties are lost, and that point seems to involve combining more than two sounds in the rest of your gear. one person's subtlety is another's amorphous moosh. i see a lot of talk about this category of pedals, but i seldom see anyone talking about using them in actual applications other than noodling in front of a videocam.

This question could also apply to any expensive fuzz pedal, or recreating a spec-accurate vibe or flanger.

Listening to one Lossy clip I was struck by how it sounded like a random tremolo and random modulation sandwiched together.

People who grew up in a digital world where everything can be faked fetishize the time where media left an imprint, where modes of production led to unintended artifacts—film grain, record static/skips, "lossy" CD compression to get a small file size, VHS generation loss of image/sound, etc.

Consider it in terms of pubic hair.

For some the clean-shaven aesthetic seems more palatable. But in a plastic world of excessive reliance upon the cosmetics industry and cosmetic surgery and airbrushed "perfection", then a merkin or "au naturel" starts to feel more "real" and "desirable". Earthy, messy, human.

Everything and its opposite can be attractive/repellant. Especially when squeezed through the sphincter-funnel of Capitalism to create Soylent Green funnelcakes.

Even "virtuous consumption" airbrushes (Photoshops, AI-deepfakes) the true "dirty" details of how things are made and in what conditions.

The whole "artifact" trend in guitar pedals is an attempt to connect. To make a shadow refer to an object. To find fingerprints on the wineglass. To see the pattern of dust in the sunlight. To feel some form or amount of connection.

genuinely not trying to be a smartass, but that's why i use old analog stuff for the most part. it can't be "perfect" no matter how hard i try to force it to be. i guess there's an argument to be made for controllability or reproducibility, but there's a difference between randomness from the inherent properties of a thing and a simulation of randomized difference. a digitized signal parameter has a limited number of options determined by the program running the show, while analog variance is inherently indeterminate. i like that. my favorite thing with electric guitar is feedback, when i have the least amount of control and the guitar and amp talk to each other. doing something artificial to seem authentic is such a 21st century thing. for me indeterminacy is fun.

note: i'm not saying it's wrong, or invalid, or that you shouldn't like it. it just seems like a long way around the more expensive end of the block to end up a few doors down from where you started in a room with flicker light bulbs instead of candles.

I saw the Lossy and thought it sounded like a dumb idea. Then I listened to a demo, and it sounds great. And it seems like it has a real range of sounds including the strange envelope filter stuff and reverb. Pretty neat, not something I'd use every day but I'm definitely interested in the plugin now! Like echorec is saying I definitely see the application for producing, plugin seems like the format I'd want this in rather than pedal.

Not something I'd spend Chase Bliss prices on, but then I wouldn't spend that on any pedal so that's more about me than the pedal.

looking at the Lossy demo again, what strikes me is that though they're calling it "the special kind of degradation that happens to digital audio" what i'm hearing is a fancy lo-fi filter pedal with some reverb added on. i guess that wouldn't sound as cool, though. does it do unusual things for a filter? why, yes, it does. but the point is that it's not anything new, more the kind of tweaking of preexisting concepts i was talking about before. i'm not really hearing the distortion as "digital" either, just ragged. and as a practical consideration for me, several layers of that stacked in a loop would turn into a cloud of radioactive mush.

Phreak demos are now a thing. quick take: it does a lot lot (that was deliberate, not concussion effects, and is now one of my idioms) of really interesting things, but i'm not mad about the actual ring mod sound. i guess i got spoiled by my Randy's Revenge v1.