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Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:13 pm
by smile_man
alexa. wrote:When I found myself, nothing could throw me off. Things even got more-"normal" because people started to treat me differently. So there is truth in the saying that when you change yourself, you've changed the world.
Like a young athlete. He has things tough, but when he gains experience, he sees things from a different perspective, also allowing him to act differently, to improve his performance. And when he does improve, things that bugged him in his starting days are not really big deals, cuz he learned how to handle them and how to think and position himself for the given situation.
smile_man wrote: My opinion is that you can not say to someone "Don't feel (insert emotion/opinion/whatever) about (insert situation), because I wouldn't feel that way, and don't understand how you would."
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:28 pm
by unownunown
jfrey wrote:smile_man wrote:Okay, and I'm sure being a white male you know all about systematic oppression and shit like that. I got you dawg, you're right.
Jesus christ I hate when people say things like this.
Principles and logic don't change with your colour, or gender.
it's true though. what could you know, besides what you've read or heard? logic isn't always the correct course of action and the way principles are realized can change through time and space.
peoples' self concept and esteem and ideas and ideology are all the result of what they experience (growing up, and as they age). not everyone can stand 'outside' of themselves and wear some facade of objectivity. our experiences make us into different people. gender, race, class, ethnicity, where you grew up, family scenario, etc... it's not baggage, it's embodiment. ignoring these experience is impossible because they define who we are.
also:
the difference between the way women are objectified and men are objectified is a matter of power dynamics and privilege. i totally disagree that women objectify men more than the inverse, but even if we were to assume that were true, consider the different roles men and women have in our society. that changes the societal impact of the objectification.
smile_man wrote:
Maybe a tangent, but you've made valid points nonetheless. My opinion is that you can not say to someone "Don't feel (insert emotion/opinion/whatever) about (insert situation), because I wouldn't feel that way, and don't understand how you would." (I don't know if it sounds like I'm accusing you with that hypothetical statement, but that was not my intention)
this is the biggest thing that i think everyone should understand.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:46 pm
by jfrey
I think we can set this aside, it has been talked about enough. I don't think you were attacking me so to speak, and I hope you know I wasn't attacking you.
It just troubles me that people are unhappy. People shouldn't be unhappy, we aren't meant to be.
I sometimes feel like I should almost yell at people, that they should realize it. I learned a long time ago that problems only existed so long as I didn't understand them. And while my problems may not be the same as anyone elses, I don't think that that is untrue for anyone. When you understand things you can make infinitely more choices. And choices go a long way towards happiness.
I may not have walked in the same shoes as anyone else, but I know what a shoe is, and I know your feet will hurt a hell of a lot less if you're wearing ones that fit. Worst analogy ever... I'm not even sure it makes sense...
EDIT: Didn't see above post until after I wrote this out, but I'm done none the less.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:52 pm
by alexa.
smile_man wrote:alexa. wrote:When I found myself, nothing could throw me off. Things even got more-"normal" because people started to treat me differently. So there is truth in the saying that when you change yourself, you've changed the world.
Like a young athlete. He has things tough, but when he gains experience, he sees things from a different perspective, also allowing him to act differently, to improve his performance. And when he does improve, things that bugged him in his starting days are not really big deals, cuz he learned how to handle them and how to think and position himself for the given situation.
smile_man wrote: My opinion is that you can not say to someone "Don't feel (insert emotion/opinion/whatever) about (insert situation), because I wouldn't feel that way, and don't understand how you would."
Think you are missing my point. I never negated your opinion, I just stated that people should learn how to live life, how to understand situations and emotions instead of laying on the ground crying about how life's been bad to them.
They don't HAVE to do it, but it would be beneficial to them AND the people that surround them.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:02 pm
by tuffteef
smile_man wrote:phantasmagorovich wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw[/youtube]
This makes me want to visit North Korea and check out the chicks. Even I think that's disgusting.
http://www.kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com
i lold so hard
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:08 am
by smile_man
alexa. wrote:Think you are missing my point. I never negated your opinion, I just stated that people should learn how to live life, how to understand situations and emotions instead of laying on the ground crying about how life's been bad to them.
They don't HAVE to do it, but it would be beneficial to them AND the people that surround them.
What I'm saying is that not everyone is privileged enough to be able to just "stop whining about it". I can't claim to know anything about you, but it is sometimes the case where people can have the privilege to be able rise above certain things easily.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:42 am
by alexa.
smile_man wrote:alexa. wrote:Think you are missing my point. I never negated your opinion, I just stated that people should learn how to live life, how to understand situations and emotions instead of laying on the ground crying about how life's been bad to them.
They don't HAVE to do it, but it would be beneficial to them AND the people that surround them.
What I'm saying is that not everyone is privileged enough to be able to just "stop whining about it". I can't claim to know anything about you, but it is sometimes the case where people can have the privilege to be able rise above certain things easily.
And sometimes you have to give privilege away to rise up.
We all have various experiences in life, but how we use those experiences is what makes us who we are, not the experience itself. Someone will do something, fail, and cry about it. Someone else will conclude they have to try harder.
It's just a decision: cry on the floor or keep on fighting against all odds. (naturally, we have to understand that success cannot come over-night, and that awareness, patience and endurance are our best allies. things are gonna get tough, great, let them make me stronger.)
Not everyone is ready to always fight, and that's ok, even I'm not - but I'm certainly working on it.
I'm kind of "SPARTA!" about the subject.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:28 pm
by smile_man
Okay, I don't think we're getting anywhere with this discussion.
I feel that all we're doing here is restating our points, since neither of us seems to want to budge in our position.
Not everyone can just "get better/over it/whatever".
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Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:03 pm
by jfrey
Not continuing the discussion, but my confesion-esque thing for the day: This whole conversation has made me feel even more disconnected from people.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:05 pm
by Bassboar
I hate the kind of music I play with every fibre of my being.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:19 pm
by Fuzzy Picklez
Bassboar wrote:I hate the kind of music I play with every fibre of my being.
What do you play?
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:02 pm
by Bassboar
The others guys try to pass it off as hard rock, it's actually pop rock.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:16 pm
by snipelfritz
Bassboar wrote:The others guys try to pass it off as hard rock, it's actually pop rock.
I imagine there's a lot of Ed Hardy and douchey haircuts going on.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:18 pm
by bob the r0bot
Bassboar wrote:The others guys try to pass it off as hard rock, it's actually pop rock.
At least it's not pop-punk. Either way, you'd be doing the right thing by leaving.
Re: The Confessions Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:08 pm
by alexa.
High flying
Sometimes you have to see things from ONE MORE perspective to understand them and to be able to implement them in your world
Music is love... so love <3<3<3