jfrey wrote:smile_man wrote:Okay, and I'm sure being a white male you know all about systematic oppression and shit like that. I got you dawg, you're right.
Jesus christ I hate when people say things like this.
Principles and logic don't change with your colour, or gender.
it's true though. what could you know, besides what you've read or heard? logic isn't always the correct course of action and the way principles are realized can change through time and space.
peoples' self concept and esteem and ideas and ideology are all the result of what they experience (growing up, and as they age). not everyone can stand 'outside' of themselves and wear some facade of objectivity. our experiences make us into different people. gender, race, class, ethnicity, where you grew up, family scenario, etc... it's not baggage, it's embodiment. ignoring these experience is impossible because they define who we are.
also:
the difference between the way women are objectified and men are objectified is a matter of power dynamics and privilege. i totally disagree that women objectify men more than the inverse, but even if we were to assume that were true, consider the different roles men and women have in our society. that changes the societal impact of the objectification.
smile_man wrote:
Maybe a tangent, but you've made valid points nonetheless. My opinion is that you can not say to someone "Don't feel (insert emotion/opinion/whatever) about (insert situation), because I wouldn't feel that way, and don't understand how you would." (I don't know if it sounds like I'm accusing you with that hypothetical statement, but that was not my intention)
this is the biggest thing that i think everyone should understand.