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Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:13 am
by Faldoe
echoraven wrote:Faldoe wrote:The Presidency is like the tip of an iceberg. There is a lot of momentum that will push a president in the direction that momentum is going. ...
True enough.
Faldoe wrote:1) He is elected and his election demonstrates that a majority of US citizens disagree with the political status quo - a dem and repub venture...
Still true enough.
Faldoe wrote:...He tries to implement the kind of policies he is advocating - money out of politics, dealing with wall st. and economic inequalities and most important: The environment....
If you want
money out of politics, support a flat tax. It (literally) removes the incentive to purchase politicians.
Income inequality - slippery slope. It really should be "equality of opportunity" and not "equality of outcome", perhaps for starters companies SHOULD NOT GET A TAX BREAK FOR SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS, they should face a import tax. As much as my libertarian leanings are against this, I believe this establishes momentum in the other direction.
The environment - This needs to be done smartly and not with the heavy hand of government. There are power companies all over the country that are fighting the solar movement. They need to be punched in the balls and publicly humiliated. Smart efforts like the Elio commuter car (under $7k, around 80mpg) need to be promoted and incentivized. Hopefully this approach will be more beneficial to the environment AND to American workers that have not recovered from the Bush recession.
A flat tax wouldn't do away with Citizens United "corporations are people too", would it?
What is a slippery slope regarding income inequality? The whole stage in which the money game is played is the problem. It's not that more people should get a shot at "making it" or becoming rich. The income inequality, in my view, as a topic, is important in how it shows how capitalism works and how wealth has been concentrating in a group.
Climate Change/The Environment SHOULD be dealt with by the heavy hand of government in terms of using force to mandate polluting companies change their behaviors, invest far more of their money into alternative energies and to make polluters pay for disasters - like the BP oil spill.
People keep saying "If we (the US) take drastic measures in altering out behaviors around Climate change, China will still be polluting, etc." We should lead the way because we're headed off a cliff, not whether other countries are involved.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:25 am
by Jwar
Dudes. What are we going to do if Trump actually wins. It could happen. I mean, he's nuts, but seems to have a ton of momentum behind his campaign. Plus we all know that that shit is a joke and our votes actually don't matter as much as we'd like them too.
How else did Bush win twice?
No but seriously. HOW?
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:15 am
by Iommic Pope
I heard an analyst describe this phenomena you guys seem to have with elections as being like a rubbernecking effect.
In that most people are really waiting for him to fail so they can watch the trainwreck.
Having said that, we tried that on down here and ended up with the Palmer United Party, or, Palmasaurus, Wang, Lambie and the Brick.
Good luck with that.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:49 am
by Twangasaurus
Iommic Pope wrote:Palmasaurus.
Low blow man, Palmer ain't fit to be a -saurus and you know it! More like Palmer the Hutt.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:40 pm
by Iommic Pope
I will definitely pay that.
You do know that he for serious wants to clone dinosaurs, though?
That is relevant information.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:45 pm
by snipelfritz
jwar wrote:Dudes. What are we going to do if Trump actually wins. It could happen. I mean, he's nuts, but seems to have a ton of momentum behind his campaign. Plus we all know that that shit is a joke and our votes actually don't matter as much as we'd like them too.
How else did Bush win twice?
No but seriously. HOW?
Difference between trump and Bush is that Bush had the republican party on his side.
Party officials have spent the last three years trying to establish that their party isn't driven by simple minded, reactionary xenophobes. Trump has come along and completely run those efforts into the ground. I honestly can't tell if he got in this race to win or just to indirectly help the democrats win.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:16 pm
by Blackened Soul
jwar wrote:Dudes. What are we going to do if Trump actually wins. It could happen. I mean, he's nuts, but seems to have a ton of momentum behind his campaign. Plus we all know that that shit is a joke and our votes actually don't matter as much as we'd like them too.
How else did Bush win twice?
No but seriously. HOW?
1. we will either have to play along or just be happy in our concentration slave camps
2.
3. you have two choices to believe: all the voting machines are rigged/people are really that stupidly self defeating
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:31 pm
by snipelfritz
Blackened Soul wrote:1. we will either have to play along or just be happy in our concentration slave camps
Isn't that how it already is, hmmmm?
Careful, don't cut yourself on my edge.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:04 am
by Mudfuzz
snipelfritz wrote:Careful, don't cut yourself on my edge.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:26 am
by echoraven
snipelfritz wrote:jwar wrote:...Difference between trump and Bush is that Bush had the republican party on his side...
The Republican party collectively can barely tie their shoes. They lost the 2012 election with a failing economy. It should have been like shooting fish in a barrel.
George won his 2nd term on patriotism. He united the country after 9/11 and that goodwill carried him to victory, 3 years later. Patriotism helps Republicans.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:58 pm
by snipelfritz
Mudfuzz wrote:snipelfritz wrote:Careful, don't cut yourself on my edge.
I just happened to be watching some RATM music video the other day and there was a quick clip of someone holding a Trump for President sign at one point. I think it was Sleep Now in the Fire.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:02 pm
by Faldoe
I was wondering, and Bill Maher mentioned it on his Real Time show, if Trump was actually a decoy infiltrating the Republican party. I don't believe that but I think his presence is certainly acting in a way that is causing all kinds of havoc. Trump and Carson are up in the poles.
I actually think Bush speaks some sense. I wouldn't vote for him, but he at least is more grounded to reality than Trump and everyone loves Trump. Rand Paul makes good points too.
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:47 pm
by Chankgeez
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:56 pm
by Mudfuzz
I kind'a want to report that post for obscenity...
Re: Does it even really make a difference who the next POTUS
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:34 pm
by Sparrow
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Colbert.
