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Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:09 pm
by warwick.hoy
Both look promising and I'm into the multi-powering options,...but I have a feeling these will be astronomically priced,...like M/B likes to do.
Color me tentatively interested,...but not if they are fetching a premium.
The one thing that always attracted me to the 400/400+ is the fact the M/B used rackmountable chassis. I don't quite understand why these companies continue to put heavy output transformers into heavy wooden cabinets.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:47 pm
by warwick.hoy
Yeah,....I've been posting for them to bring back the 400+ all over their Facebook for the past 6 months. You snooze you lose Mesa Boogie.
I've been wondering,...how my sound would be if I bypassed the the SVT-CL's preamp and used my Yamaha PB-1 instead. It's a solid state preamp and I'm pretty sure the tone controls are all boost. I say this cause when I turn all the controls to zero there is no volume.
There is also quite a nice Parametric Midrange control section. I got a buddy who is really abreast on Midrange Frequencies and while plugging his Upright into that pre into a solid state poweramp (he is currently running a MarkBass something or other into an Euphonic Audio single 10 for upright duties,...good for jazz,...but he needs more volume for other projects),...he said,...cut blabidyblah frequency,....which a did and it instantly removed the boominess of the rig. Nice little option to have when dealing with different rooms.
So with that pre; would I be able to drive the powertubes harder for that compression and have more control over the overall volume output?
I also have an SVT-IIp Tube Preamp with the same controls as the CL,...but also with an EQ section. Needs fixing,...but it would interesting to try that preamp into the SVT's poweramp section as well.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:58 pm
by warwick.hoy
Also,....Sousy; I'm loathed to push in the direction of dropping a wad on your setup,....but if you don't know the last time your amp has been serviced/retubed,...it may be worthwhile to do that. Perhaps the bias is screwy or you got a janky tube in there.
Make sure you have some discretionary income cause you can expect to spend a load if it needs to be retubed (Retubing a glass factory isn't pretty). If you have a good tube amp guru in your area,...could be worthwhile to seek out his advice.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:19 pm
by Gozu
those mesas look good, if they're <£700 i may be ditching my trace
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:36 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
Less than £700? That's pretty hopeful man.
However, if they ARE less than £700 I'll probably get one at some point.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:46 pm
by Gozu
well... im a hopeful dude, i'm thinking they'll be £1400 or so but a man can dream... also
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:17 pm
by Mudfuzz
I,Galactus wrote:New Mesa/Boogie all tube bass amps comin down the pipe:
I asked about that shot on their blog and got this awesomeness:
Stil working on the details of these new tube bass beasts. Stay tuned and we’ll be releasing full details, demos and all the info soon. In the meantime, here’s the specs so far:
Prodigy Bass
Finally, a compact, portable tube bass amp that packs the massive tone and addictive feel only possible from tubes, into a midsized “lunchbox” package • Tube Power Amp & Preamp featuring 4x6L6 Power Tubes & 3x12AX7 Preamp Tubes / *NOTE: Tube Amps sound as loud as Solid State Amps rated at several times their power rating. Plug in and compare! • Class A/B, Multi-WattTM Power Amp (Patent 7,602,927) provides 2 power options via a Full/Half Power Switch – Choose from: 4 power tubes, producing 120 Tube-Watts* (“Sounds like 300!”) or 2 tubes, producing 60 Tube-Watts* • Fixed Bias for consistent, maintenance free performance • Normal & Vintage Inputs for stylistic voice/feel • Tube Preamp featuring: Gain, Active Bass, Passive Mids, Active Treble, 5-Position Active Mid-Voicing Switch and Master Volume • Footswitchable Solo Level Control (Patent 6,724,897) • 2 Tuner Outputs (back panel & footswitch) w/Footswitchable Amp Mute & Manual Play/Mute Switch (front panel) • Fully Buffered, Footswitchable FX Loop • Balanced XLR Line Out (back panel) w/ Ground Lift, Pre/Post Switch & D.I. Level Control (front panel) • 3x 1/4” Speaker Output Jacks (1×8 & 2×4 Ohm) • Slave Out • Fan Cooled • External Switching Jack for: Mid Voice, Solo, FX Loop & Tuner Mute • 4 Button Footswitch (Mid Voice, Solo, FX Loop & Mute) w/ Alternate 1?4” Tuner-Out Jack • Slip Cover
Strategy Bass
Bold new design with stunning looks, amazing tone, innovative ergonomics & surprising portability • Tube Power Amp & Preamp featuring 12x6L6 Power Tubes & 3x12AX7 Preamp Tubes / *NOTE: Tube Amps sound as loud as Solid State Amps rated at several times their power rating. Plug in and compare! • Class A/B, Multi-WattTM Power Amp (Patent 7,602,927) provides 3 power options via a Full/Half/Low Power Switch – Choose from: 12 power tubes, producing 300 Tube-Watts* (“Sounds like 600!”) – 6 tubes, producing 150 Tube-Watts* or 2 tubes, producing 60 Tube-Watts* • Fixed Bias for consistent, maintenance free performance • Normal & Vintage Inputs for stylistic voice/feel • Tube Preamp featur- ing: Gain, Active Bass, Passive Mids, Active Treble, 5-Position Active Mid-Voicing Switch and Master Volume • Footswitchable, Assignable or Bypassable 9-Band Graphic EQ • Footswitchable Solo Level Control (Patent 6,724,897) • 2 Tuner Outputs (back panel & footswitch) w/Footswitchable Amp Mute & Manual Play/Mute Switch (front panel) • Fully Buffered, Footswitchable FX Loop • Balanced XLR Line Out w/Ground Lift (back panel), Pre/Post Switch & D.I. Level Control (front panel) • 5 Combination Speakon -1/4” Speaker Output Jacks (1×8, 2×4 & 2×2 Ohm) • Slave Out w/Level Control • Fan Cooled • External Switching Jack for: Mid Voice, EQ, Solo, Tuner Mute & FX Loop • New 2×3 – 5 Button Footswitch (Bottom Row: Mid Voice, EQ, Solo – Top Row: Mute & FX Loop) w/Alternate 1?4” Tuner-Out Jack
More shortly!
Boogie
400+ flashbacks!
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:19 pm
by bigchiefbc
I,Galactus wrote:New Mesa/Boogie all tube bass amps comin down the pipe:
I asked about that shot on their blog and got this awesomeness:
Stil working on the details of these new tube bass beasts. Stay tuned and we’ll be releasing full details, demos and all the info soon. In the meantime, here’s the specs so far:
Prodigy Bass
Finally, a compact, portable tube bass amp that packs the massive tone and addictive feel only possible from tubes, into a midsized “lunchbox” package • Tube Power Amp & Preamp featuring 4x6L6 Power Tubes & 3x12AX7 Preamp Tubes / *NOTE: Tube Amps sound as loud as Solid State Amps rated at several times their power rating. Plug in and compare! • Class A/B, Multi-WattTM Power Amp (Patent 7,602,927) provides 2 power options via a Full/Half Power Switch – Choose from: 4 power tubes, producing 120 Tube-Watts* (“Sounds like 300!”) or 2 tubes, producing 60 Tube-Watts* • Fixed Bias for consistent, maintenance free performance • Normal & Vintage Inputs for stylistic voice/feel • Tube Preamp featuring: Gain, Active Bass, Passive Mids, Active Treble, 5-Position Active Mid-Voicing Switch and Master Volume • Footswitchable Solo Level Control (Patent 6,724,897) • 2 Tuner Outputs (back panel & footswitch) w/Footswitchable Amp Mute & Manual Play/Mute Switch (front panel) • Fully Buffered, Footswitchable FX Loop • Balanced XLR Line Out (back panel) w/ Ground Lift, Pre/Post Switch & D.I. Level Control (front panel) • 3x 1/4” Speaker Output Jacks (1×8 & 2×4 Ohm) • Slave Out • Fan Cooled • External Switching Jack for: Mid Voice, Solo, FX Loop & Tuner Mute • 4 Button Footswitch (Mid Voice, Solo, FX Loop & Mute) w/ Alternate 1?4” Tuner-Out Jack • Slip Cover
Strategy Bass
Bold new design with stunning looks, amazing tone, innovative ergonomics & surprising portability • Tube Power Amp & Preamp featuring 12x6L6 Power Tubes & 3x12AX7 Preamp Tubes / *NOTE: Tube Amps sound as loud as Solid State Amps rated at several times their power rating. Plug in and compare! • Class A/B, Multi-WattTM Power Amp (Patent 7,602,927) provides 3 power options via a Full/Half/Low Power Switch – Choose from: 12 power tubes, producing 300 Tube-Watts* (“Sounds like 600!”) – 6 tubes, producing 150 Tube-Watts* or 2 tubes, producing 60 Tube-Watts* • Fixed Bias for consistent, maintenance free performance • Normal & Vintage Inputs for stylistic voice/feel • Tube Preamp featur- ing: Gain, Active Bass, Passive Mids, Active Treble, 5-Position Active Mid-Voicing Switch and Master Volume • Footswitchable, Assignable or Bypassable 9-Band Graphic EQ • Footswitchable Solo Level Control (Patent 6,724,897) • 2 Tuner Outputs (back panel & footswitch) w/Footswitchable Amp Mute & Manual Play/Mute Switch (front panel) • Fully Buffered, Footswitchable FX Loop • Balanced XLR Line Out w/Ground Lift (back panel), Pre/Post Switch & D.I. Level Control (front panel) • 5 Combination Speakon -1/4” Speaker Output Jacks (1×8, 2×4 & 2×2 Ohm) • Slave Out w/Level Control • Fan Cooled • External Switching Jack for: Mid Voice, EQ, Solo, Tuner Mute & FX Loop • New 2×3 – 5 Button Footswitch (Bottom Row: Mid Voice, EQ, Solo – Top Row: Mute & FX Loop) w/Alternate 1?4” Tuner-Out Jack
More shortly!
Boogie
400+ flashbacks!
Yeah, those are immediately in the "there's no fucking way I will ever be able to afford either of those" club.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:24 pm
by D.o.S.
Not a fan of the looks, but lots of players make 400's/400+'s sound awesome.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:23 pm
by Waterpilot
bigchiefbc wrote:Yeah, those are immediately in the "there's no fucking way I will ever be able to afford either of those" club.
Yeah, it's likely I'll be in that club but I'd love to have one. Though... I'm sure there will still be some bugs even after its release.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 pm
by MSUsousaphone
Last I saw, those puppies were selling for $2,400 USD.
http://www.interstatemusic.com/844496-M ... STRAT.aspxI'm staring pretty hard at one....also looking at a Reeves Custom 225.
W.H - I brought the Mesa Strategy to a tech, today. They'll be taking a look at it.
I'm flipping it, though. I need to scale down to one cab. My fEARful 15/6/1 is all I really need. Having a stereo power amp for one cab is just dumb. So my current candidates to replace it would be a Vintage Mesa Bass 400+ (which would leave me with $1,000 to GAS on pedals), one of those new Mesas up there (which I would need to skip the Faye's Her and sell my Poly-grace to get), or a Reeves Custom 225 (still missing the Poly and Faye's).
Other ringers can be thrown into the mix, though.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:45 pm
by Waterpilot
For that price I'd probably look into the Meat Smoke. I'm still pissed I missed the chance to buy them at the old $1500.00 price. I'm such an idiot. Hope it's good news on Mesa, no matter what you do with it.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:57 am
by behndy
gah. i'm all befuddled now. had practice, everything sounded GREAT. dunno. might wait a bit on a toober.
SO CONFUSED.
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:56 am
by MSUsousaphone
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Now you're starting to sound like me. I predict very many confused emo posts in your future, my friend.
But seriously, It's funny the amount of time, anguish, and money we spend on things that the average Joe in the crowd will never even notice (says the guy looking at a $2400 head).
Re: Toobz vs SS - Bass Amps
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:37 am
by MSUsousaphone
Waterpilot wrote:For that price I'd probably look into the Meat Smoke. I'm still pissed I missed the chance to buy them at the old $1500.00 price. I'm such an idiot. Hope it's good news on Mesa, no matter what you do with it.
I actually really like the clean sound from the Meat Smoke.