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snipelfritz wrote:EDIT: I just need a synth, and a sequencer, and a drum machine. I have the obligatory hipster-macbook already, just no idea what to use it for.

bob the r0bot wrote:I prefer to play bass through guitar amps.

Ayrton wrote:When I get my salary, the first thing I buy is books. In fact, I have more books than clothes.

jfrey wrote:Just two comments on the whole "devaluing" remarks thing.

1) You can't "devalue" another person. Value, esteem, confidence, etc. These are all internal things. Another person can neither increase nor decrease them. If a person "makes" you feel bad, it just means that you were lacking in self-esteem to begin with.

2) It's entirely possible that it is just the women I know, but in my experience women are incredibly worse with those sorts of comments than men. It's like non-stop whenever I go out with my platonic girl-friends. So it seems kind of hypocritical for anyone to have a problem with it.

smile_man wrote:Okay, and I'm sure being a white male you know all about systematic oppression and shit like that. I got you dawg, you're right.

smile_man wrote:Well, I don't know what you expect people to say when you try an speak from a position that you can't really have first-hand experience in.

smile_man wrote:I really don't see how you can assume that there are universal truths with regard to how people feel.

smile_man wrote:If your only concern with saying shit like that is that it will make you seem not classy then I don't really know what to say.

jfrey wrote:I have never had to steal to eat. I still know it to be wrong regardless of my inexperience with the circumstance. A person's experience with such things doesn't necessarily give them sage wisdom on the subject. If anything, it often distorts their perspective. Detachment can sometimes (maybe even most of the time) give you a better vantage.

jfrey wrote:Is self-esteem internal? Is confidence? I would think these ideas are not only universal but also obvious.

jfrey wrote:I was illustrating that while I would not personally take part in such things, I don't believe there is - without malice - anything that you can vilify in such things. Especially since - from my experience at least - it is something that gets thrown around on both sides of the table.

phantasmagorovich wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw[/youtube]

This makes me want to visit North Korea and check out the chicks. Even I think that's disgusting.

smile_man wrote:Yes, but you've never -had- to steal

smile_man wrote:I can't assume you've never known any form of oppression

smile_man wrote:Do you get to decide this for people? Self-esteem and confidence can come from one's one mind, but don't tell me for a second that everyone is a brick wall who just takes what everyone says and does not internalize even a little bit of it.

smile_man wrote:Forgive me if I'm assuming the wrong thing, but if you're saying that sexism exists for men in the same way as it does for women, it's just not true.

phantasmagorovich wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw[/youtube]

This makes me want to visit North Korea and check out the chicks. Even I think that's disgusting.

jfrey wrote:How does that change whether such an act would be moral or not?

jfrey wrote:I don't believe I have - my family was very poor for most of my life (they are actually doing very well now though), but I don't consider that a form of oppression, because it isn't as if someone was doing that to us. I probably wouldn't be aware of it if I was though so don't take my word on that. People in general don't give me negative feelings. My girlfriend can make me feel mildly upset or annoyed but that's about it. To be honest I think it hurts her that she can't make me feel more. It isn't intentional, but I have spent so many years - 17 give or take - thinking about how I think, and then thinking about what that means, and then thinking about how I arrived at that meaning, etc. for infinity, that our thoughts and emotions just aren't really in the same place. Possibly tangent.

jfrey wrote:I'm not really deciding that for people. Nor am I saying that you don't internalize things that people say or do. I'm saying that peoples thoughts and feelings are their responsibility to manage. I'm not asking anyone to do anything I haven't done myself - albeit for different situations. Even then, I'm really not asking anything. But, it's something people should consider if they don't want baggage always holding them back from being the people they should be.

smile_man wrote:This is an overgeneralization. Sexism does exist for both, although it is not the same thing - and has historically in most cultures impacted women much more than men. This specific example however - about "objectifying" language - is present for both. As I mentioned earlier, I have seen it more so on the part of women than men. And, if that is not simply an exception, then it is hypocritical to be offended by it.

jfrey wrote:Nor am I saying that you don't internalize things that people say or do. I'm saying that peoples thoughts and feelings are their responsibility to manage. I'm not asking anyone to do anything I haven't done myself - albeit for different situations. Even then, I'm really not asking anything. But, it's something people should consider if they don't want baggage always holding them back from being the people they should be.

smile_man wrote:I'm just saying that it can be hard for people to manage something that they are constantly bombarded with almost every day.