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Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:22 pm
by Mudfuzz
Ha! Electric Funeral is my favorite Black sabbath song :thumb:

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:02 pm
by Houdini116
Mines started when I discovered Electric Wizard. It was unreal, I wanted my guitar to sound like that, huge and thick.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKVzx7wkkuw[/youtube]

Then from there, I found the Black Keys who really opened my eyes to some electric blues/garage rock stuff.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXgIDGFg3s[/youtube]

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:39 pm
by devnulljp
magiclawnchair wrote:i found the paranoid album in the crawl space of the house in a box of x-mas albums when i was 10 or 11 or so. my dad was always listening to all kinds of music so i did not understand why this was mixed in with the x-mas albums so i pulled it out. damn! chills went up my spine through the entire first side!!! then i flipped it over and heard...
...
and i freaked out!!! :dance: i listed to the album all day!!! :yay: :evil: :rock: so i guess i have always wanted some fuzziness!!!
Except of course there's no fuzz on that album. Rangemaster and Laney Klipp, AC30 yes, fuzz, no.

He talks about his gear on Paranoid here
Were they any specific settings you used?

Basically, I set the presence, middle and treble on 10 with no bass whatsoever. The guitar volume was usually set on full and the three-way toggle switch was set on the up position for chording and in the treble spot for soloing.

Any other pedals or devices?

For treble boost, I used a Rangemaster unit that had been reworked by my roadies. I used a wah-wah, a Rotosound box, and various boosters and phasers. For some of the solos, I used a Fender amp.
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Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:54 pm
by Blurillaz
Basically, I set the presence, middle and treble on 10 with no bass whatsoever. The guitar volume was usually set on full and the three-way toggle switch was set on the up position for chording and in the treble spot for soloing.

Any other pedals or devices?

For treble boost, I used a Rangemaster unit that had been reworked by my roadies. I used a wah-wah, a Rotosound box, and various boosters and phasers. For some of the solos, I used a Fender amp.


This is what i told you guys a while back and you laughed'd :no:

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:17 pm
by Chumley
Browsing PGS, looking for delays to use with a rhodes. Found a fuzz demo. Fell in love. :joy:

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:30 pm
by devnulljp
Blurillaz wrote:This is what i told you guys a while back and you laughed'd :no:
Not me man. I see so many guys chasing Black Sabbath tone with a Big Muff :facepalm:

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:31 pm
by magiclawnchair
devnulljp wrote:
magiclawnchair wrote:i found the paranoid album in the crawl space of the house in a box of x-mas albums when i was 10 or 11 or so. my dad was always listening to all kinds of music so i did not understand why this was mixed in with the x-mas albums so i pulled it out. damn! chills went up my spine through the entire first side!!! then i flipped it over and heard...
...
and i freaked out!!! :dance: i listed to the album all day!!! :yay: :evil: :rock: so i guess i have always wanted some fuzziness!!!
Except of course there's no fuzz on that album. Rangemaster and Laney Klipp, AC30 yes, fuzz, no.

He talks about his gear on Paranoid here
Were they any specific settings you used?

Basically, I set the presence, middle and treble on 10 with no bass whatsoever. The guitar volume was usually set on full and the three-way toggle switch was set on the up position for chording and in the treble spot for soloing.

Any other pedals or devices?

For treble boost, I used a Rangemaster unit that had been reworked by my roadies. I used a wah-wah, a Rotosound box, and various boosters and phasers. For some of the solos, I used a Fender amp.
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i will never forget the look on my moms face when she came home from work that day and i was cranking that album. apparently alice cooper was fine but she did not like black sabbath! well, she had to listen to them for a long time after that!!! :lol: what did he use to get that tone on the paranoid solo??? :cool:

jack bruce right here...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6vl49r67I[/youtube]

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:35 pm
by devnulljp
magiclawnchair wrote:what did he use to get that tone on the paranoid solo??? :cool:
ringmod

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:59 pm
by deadbeatriot
my very first guitar pedal was a nyc big muff. i had just gotten around $80 for my birthday, and i was trying a few pedals out and just fell in love with the huge sound. that was it.

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:13 pm
by magiclawnchair
devnulljp wrote:
magiclawnchair wrote:what did he use to get that tone on the paranoid solo??? :cool:
ringmod


no shit. all you had in you quote for solos was fender amp... :p

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:28 pm
by bigchiefbc
magiclawnchair wrote:
devnulljp wrote:
magiclawnchair wrote:what did he use to get that tone on the paranoid solo??? :cool:
ringmod


no shit. all you had in you quote for solos was fender amp... :p


To be fair, I'm sure the ring mod they used on that solo wasn't a pedal, since there probably weren't any ring mods in pedals back then. It was probably a modular synth unit that was added afterwards.

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:31 pm
by Blurillaz
bigchiefbc wrote:To be fair, I'm sure the ring mod they used on that solo wasn't a pedal, since there probably weren't any ring mods in pedals back then. It was probably a modular synth unit that was added afterwards.

I'm not too sure about this, but wasn't the Frequency Analyzer out then, along with some Colorsound/Sola Sound Ring Modulators?

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:50 pm
by bigchiefbc
Blurillaz wrote:
bigchiefbc wrote:To be fair, I'm sure the ring mod they used on that solo wasn't a pedal, since there probably weren't any ring mods in pedals back then. It was probably a modular synth unit that was added afterwards.

I'm not too sure about this, but wasn't the Frequency Analyzer out then, along with some Colorsound/Sola Sound Ring Modulators?


Paranoid came out in '70. I highly doubt the Frequency Analyzer was out then. I think EHX had only released the LPB and the Big Muff at that point. Not sure about the Solasound.

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:12 pm
by devnulljp
magiclawnchair wrote:
devnulljp wrote:
magiclawnchair wrote:what did he use to get that tone on the paranoid solo??? :cool:
ringmod

no shit. all you had in you quote for solos was fender amp... :p
There's definitely a ringmod -- could have been done in the studio; an Oberheim prototype maybe?
The Frequency Analyzer wouldn't have been produced until 1973 at the earliest as that's when they made the move to those ram's head era cases -- that's obviously too late to have been used on Paranoid.
The first ring mod was developed by Tom Oberheim in 1968 and he went into production building them in 1970 -- there's a proto on the score of Beneath the Planet of the Apes (from 1970). Maestro started selling them in 1971, again too late.

Tony Iommi also played that solo on a Les Paul not the SG.

(and he said "some" of the solos were done on a Fender amp). :p
Did I miss any?

Mind you he did mention Rotosound, so I guess it's possible he used a tone bender on some of it? I don't hear it though.
I'd be willing to bet by 'Rotosound box' he meant a Leslie...

EDIT: Dug up an old piece from Guitar Player, 1974.
On record Tony delves into effects a little more than on stage as on Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath [Warner Brothers, 2695] when he used a wah-wah, a Rotosound box (which makes the guitar sound like an organ), and various other boosters and phasers.


Rotosound box = some kind of Leslie

Re: How'd your fuzz habit start?

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:38 pm
by Mudfuzz
That is some cool info there that is.

Here is another fuzz based tone that shook my world. Over all the whole album is in my top 3 favorite guitar recordings.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9T98ENMOaI[/youtube]