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$harkToootth wrote:Thanks kaeth. When Perfect Circuit gets the VGA oscilloscope back in stock, I am going to get one. https://ask.audio/articles/oscillatosco ... ga-visuals.
I know his website is a weird trip, but Gijs might have some in stock if you email him, or he can at least let you know when he'll have more. I've ordered most of his video kits direct, but he also sells assembled. He's a good dude to deal with.
http://gieskes.nl/shop/

The Oscillatoscope2B is cool, but I don't use computers in my rig and I'm not aware of very much other VGA gear for it to play with, so it doesn't get as much use here. When you find the sweet spots, it can look really great, but it's a bit tricky. It's sort of akin to a visual ring mod in the sense that it needs to be tuned to the input or it gets real messy. I've used it live seldomly, but when I did, I got the best results running a clean bass guitar signal through it with an audio splitter & wireless transmitter, and even that can be unwieldy. You can put a bass drum through it for a wobbly strobe, but since I only ever use it naked, that can get stale fast. If you want something interesting and coherent looking, you're basically stuck to drones, or attempt to tune it live with some slow stoner/doom rock at best. If you get into video sampling, it's probably better put to use as a sampling source, or just run your own audio into it live. The secret is that as a viewer, your brain will often trick you into perceiving synced visuals even when they're not, so actual live sync is probably less important than just having something on screen that looks good. What doesn't make the ad copy is that it doubles as a weird oscillating intermodulation fuzz!

He also sells an Oscillatoscope1D, which is similar, but also it's own thing. It's black and white, and outputs standard composite video, so there are more things to process it with besides computers. B&W is also easier to key.
$harkToootth wrote:Time based correctors are built into a bunch of things right? Not just CRTs? Actually I have noticed a lot of the "professional" mixers that people once had to pay to get rid of (that are now gaining traction price wise) have those built in.
TBCs are not my area of expertise, but I know they're built into most proper mixers. Some are better quality than others, so if you're doing a lot of sync corruption stuff, some of the built-ins won't always cut it (they'll still blank out periodically), but I think we've used a Roland V4 and a Panasonic WJ-AVE5 and have never had to break out the rack TBC.

You can also bounce from a small CRT to video camera instead of using a TBC, which is a technique in itself that can be paired with mirrors, transparencies, or feedback loops.
$harkToootth wrote:Also @kaeth... more on the light shows you do please?
Not sure what to say. We like to experiment, which encompasses both the good and bad aspects of that. Often we're trying things for the first time when the band is already playing, and when it clicks, it's amazing, but you can't aim to be experimental and not fall flat just as frequently. We try to show off at least one new technique or piece of gear at every show to keep things fresh, but that also means a lot of things we learn get just as quickly cycled out of our repertoire. Bit of a waste, but an entertaining process nonetheless. My partner has his gear which involves stuff like circuit bending and feedback loops, VHS tape, and cameras. I have my gear which goes from oscilloscopes and video synths, to liquids and jury-rigged DIY practical effects. We usually just kind of show up and mash our selected set-ups together in different ways and see what happens. When venue permits, we also try to play around with what our "screen" is. You can project onto all kinds of things, and it's fun to play around with stage dressing for visual themes.

Welp. I rambled again.
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Keep rambling! I would like to get more into liquids myself. Have the projecting getting captured with another camera and mixed into a mixer with other stuff.
I would pick up this mixer but... I'm not going to the Bronx. 2 far. I like these old school ones.The seller is nice enough to throw in adapters for F Connector to RCA.
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Another thing to keep in mind is "happy accidents" and other forms of unplanned syncrhony.
It isn't always necessary to purchase a lot of equipment in order to get matchy-matchy visual sound
(although that is of course super-cool and often mind-blowing).

In my own work I usually improvise in response to the visuals, which makes things easier since
I spend lots of time generating animation and the response-time of music adaptation is very good.
I don't know what the lag-time is for my eye-brain-hand-guitar connection. But... not bad.
And doesn't involve buying equipment (outside of more and more guitar pedals).
https://vimeo.com/381368427
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjPigU3qmIU[/youtube]

If you use a video editor to blend or overlap or just use two projectors and overlap some edited
together footage with some cymatics, then you can have responsive/planned out/happy accidents
all rolled into one visual experience.


The cymatic option would entail having a speaker responding to your played audio and then filming
that and projecting that in the same space. Could be messy. But... also cool.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oItpVa9fs[/youtube]
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I'm kind of getting that. For generating the visuals you can use less as opposed to more. I find video mixers rather appealing though. You can transition various feedback loops. Multiple outputs seem handy... they are not expensive etc. And layering things. I don't plan on getting modules (though the new stand alone LZX looks very cool). If I keep finding cheap stuff second hand I might just buy up more mixers as shape generators for circuit bent gear and feedback loops. Again, also planning on using software off old laptops as shape generators and using garbage second hand equipment for coloring, equalizing, etc.
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Another cheap fully featured four input mixer. This one could happen. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Focus-Enhancem ... 7901!US!-1
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Also, Kaeth can you walk me through materials for the liquids shows? I follow that man guy (lol Liquid Light Lab) on IG. He has a site for dyes, glass, and what not but it seems pricey. Do you have a quick start list of materials you consistently relay on? For a projector... I used to work on a campus and I'm sure I can find one for free somewhere. For the record, I'm not saying the dude's site is a rip off. In his instructional video, he's the first to say, "Use food coloring... whatever... the world is yours!"

Rambling encouraged. There are like 5 people into this thread and I'm sure no one will mind.

Video for anyone also interested in wtf we're going on about.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn7_ctQjqhE[/youtube]
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I have a Critter and Guitari Black and White Video Scope that I send through a BPMC Premium Cable. I used to have it on and sync'd to whatever I was playing, but I haven't in awhile because my old CRT TV doesn't get along with the Boss DE200 delay that sits right under it.

I would like to eventually expand my video setup to include a BPMC mixer of some sort and some video feedback. I was planning on a Vidiot, but didn't realize they were discontinued. I'll have to check out their new Chromagnon thing
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Chromagnon has the laser output... oh goodness another stupid hobby coming my way.
I just got a pretty cheap 4 input videonics mixer off ebay. D E V E L O P M E N T S.
Videonics Switcher Video Mixer MX3000 Channel MXPro MX Pro MX-3000 for those curious. It was cheap. Shipping was punch in the cooter but whatever...
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$harkToootth wrote:Chromagnon has the laser output... oh goodness another stupid hobby coming my way.
I just got a pretty cheap 4 input videonics mixer off ebay. D E V E L O P M E N T S.
Videonics Switcher Video Mixer MX3000 Channel MXPro MX Pro MX-3000 for those curious. It was cheap. Shipping was punch in the cooter but whatever...
Just get a NewTek Video Toaster.
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Oh boy... HOT STUFF!!!
I'm not quite sure what this means but I find it very funny. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (OMG I get it now... in the video... I'm not sure which is funnier 1. The reference or 2. The non-sequitur)
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$harkToootth wrote:Also, Kaeth can you walk me through materials for the liquids shows? I follow that man guy (lol Liquid Light Lab) on IG. He has a site for dyes, glass, and what not but it seems pricey. Do you have a quick start list of materials you consistently relay on? For a projector... I used to work on a campus and I'm sure I can find one for free somewhere. For the record, I'm not saying the dude's site is a rip off. In his instructional video, he's the first to say, "Use food coloring... whatever... the world is yours!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn7_ctQjqhE
The thing is, he sells kits that are tested to work. You know the glass pairs well together. You know the dyes are vibrant and not sticky. For anyone starting out, not entirely sure what to look for, it's a good option. You could absolutely get cheaper stuff, but then you have to put some effort into hunting, and you risk buying stuff that just doesn't work well. I could DM you the email address of someone else that sells quality clock faces, and has a better selection, but I don't think it's any cheaper. Also, 3 clock faces instead of 2 gives you 2x the squishable liquid layers. Makes a big difference in the complexity of your compositions, and allows for better colour separation and mixing. Thrift shops are a good place to hunt for textured glass dishes which are good for effects, but less good for squishing.

Most compositions will have two layers per plate: water & oil, which can both be coloured. Use liquid watercolours for the water. Dr. PH Martin's Transparent Watercolours are known as the gold standard, but they're pricey. As long as you're happy with the colours, cheap ones will do just fine. A bottle of black ink is also handy. To colour the oil, candle dyes or soap dyes are what you're looking for, but it's a lot harder to find quality oil dyes. All I can say is don't bother with candle dyes from Michael's. You can also make your own from dry pigments, but some of them give you cancer, so do your research if you go that route.

Isopropyl alcohol will loosen sticky dyes, and Glycerine seems to alter the consistency. Both can be found at any pharmacy. You can also experiment with stuff in your kitchen. There's no one single way to do it right.

3M made some pretty bright overheads in the late 90's era. I have a pair of 3m 9700's for when I go optical. Looks nicer if you make a circular mask on top. Some people hotrod them with dimmer switches, or ultrabright LEDs. If I want to process the liquid plates with other video gear, I use an Elmo EV-500 Visual Presenter instead.

There's other stuff you could do with projectors that don't necessarily relate to liquids, but can be used in combination with, like moire transparencies and colour wheels, like he shows in the video.

So if you want a list, I would say

Minimum:
-overhead projector [or video presenter/digi-projector]
-2 differently sized clock faces
-water
-liquid watercolours
-mineral oil
-soap/candle dyes

Optional:
-black ink
-isopropyl alcohol
-glycerine
-3rd clock face
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I screen shot above. I read it. Will reread it. Very helpful. Thank you!
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Also as a discussion point, I don't want to constantly repost what I read in Video Synthesis on Muffs... so the short of it is this new LZX Standalone is actually a solid replacement for a couple modules (that will soon be discontinued). I was considering a Navigator to pair with the Vidiot but apparently this can cover that territory... plus lasers. But that post, was just a repost of the LZX newsletter (I don't have it and I'm not going to copy and paste it).
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Also, I plan on posting anything I learn from Tachyons + via Muff. My username is the same, just a different variation of the spelling and my avatar is not Frankenhooker. But I will post what I learn here about moding old equipment.

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