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kaeth wrote:Why bother?

This guy gets me!

i thought we were talking about new circuits, not new categories.

Tom Von Kramm wrote:I'm going to toot my own horn:

Freqout (you even worked on it JWAR!)
TRIO/+/SDRUM
Rubbernecking
Multi-Voice Flanger (Nautila)
12-string effect (Mosaic)

Tom, you are still talking about things that exist on some spectrum still. I think I got confused about the topic here. I was meaning there are no new inventions. Meaning a sound that has not previously been generated in any application.

That's why I listed Eventides Undulator because as far as I'm aware, there hasn't been anything similar to that.

All the pedals you listed are amazing but they have been done on some level somewhere. VSTs or otherwise. Even feedback generators were previously done in VSTs.

I love the innovation obviously and don't want it to stop! My argument is perhaps not fit for this thread when I thought it was? I don't know.

Oh and btw, I love my Freqout and it holds a special place in my heart.

kaeth wrote:There is nothing new under the sun. There are no original ideas at all. We're all just repeating variations of the same conversations people have been having throughout human history. Our DNA is just an another iteration of the same in four billion year old bacteria. All our thoughts are just abstractions of the same cosmic patterns that have existed forever. Nothing special here. Why bother?

#nihilism #truth


lol

dubkitty wrote:i thought we were talking about new circuits, not new categories.

I guess I got confused and riled people up. hahaha. My bad.

not riled. just testing my memory. if i was riled there'd be no doubt about it LOL.

Jwar wrote:That's why I listed Eventides Undulator because as far as I'm aware, there hasn't been anything similar to that.

And even that is just a combination of things:

"Undulator is a classic Eventide effect that combines two delays, two detuned voices, and a FM modulated tremolo. By turning up the Intensity you can increase the dry/effect ratio."

kaeth wrote:There is nothing new under the sun. There are no original ideas at all. We're all just repeating variations of the same conversations people have been having throughout human history. Our DNA is just an another iteration of the same in four billion year old bacteria. All our thoughts are just abstractions of the same cosmic patterns that have existed forever. Nothing special here. Why bother?

Let me take a hit of that strong stuff, my man.

Everything is derivative of something else. Somehow, some way. Nothing was invented out the ether by sheer miracle without an influence. No person or idea is an island.

However, plenty of innovation in some categories and builders. Some next level stuff out there that often includes merging new ideas with old or even just executing ideas better.

dubkitty wrote:i thought we were talking about new circuits, not new categories.

Me too. This got way off target.
ILF gonna ILF I guess...

codetocontra wrote:Everything is derivative of something else. Somehow, some way. Nothing was invented out the ether by sheer miracle without an influence. No person or idea is an island.

However, plenty of innovation in some categories and builders. Some next level stuff out there that often includes merging new ideas with old or even just executing ideas better.

Agreed -

A lot of the interesting stuff on the market is adding multiple layers of processing to a source. A pedal might break up audio into pieces, then filter the pieces, and then delay or pitch shift the pieces in a linear or non-linear manner. Its pretty cynical to boil down that very unique and "new" effect to "oh well its just based on delays and filters, nothing new there."

It may be true that all effects are based on a subset of processing methods but the same can be said for food. You could spend years going around the world and eating and you would never say "oh there is no new food" just because you've had all the ingredients in other dishes in the past.

I don't disagree with you. We are making the same point with different words.

codetocontra wrote:I don't disagree with you. We are making the same point with different words.

Yeah yeah I was just piggybacking on your post

Interesting food analogy.