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Johnny Winter and chorus....

vidret wrote:Im going to use worra as a human

Human meat popsicle?

Sorry, i'm just jumping in to continue this Strokejobbing Every Player We Dig Who Uses Wah thread.

Doug Martsch (the bit starting at about 2:30 here, in particular):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQZToWGpagc[/youtube]

I love the whammy bar and wah.
Except Kirk Hammett solos with wah.

Now what I do hate is fucking pinch harmonics.
A few here and there is ok. But guys that use it for every single god damned note. Negative sir. Billy Gibbons excluded, for some reason his don't piss me off.

Most any use of auto wah or envelope filter with more than just a bit of sweep, dub style.

Use of wah resembling use of auto wah or envelope filter.

dozicusmaximus wrote:I love the whammy bar and wah.
Except Kirk Hammett solos with wah.

Now what I do hate is fucking pinch harmonics.
A few here and there is ok. But guys that use it for every single god damned note. Negative sir. Billy Gibbons excluded, for some reason his don't piss me off.

All of this is true.

Man, I've said this before, but I just don't understand all the wah hate on this board. I love wah, and think it's a great fun effect you can do a lot of cool stuff with.

Pete wrote:Man, I've said this before, but I just don't understand all the wah hate on this board. I love wah, and think it's a great fun effect you can do a lot of cool stuff with.

Yeah, but most musicians don't do cool stuff with it. It's fun to run in effects loops of strange things.. like the parallel universe 2, Skyripper, etc.

I think the 90's made it hard for me to take it seriously for a while.

Pete wrote:Man, I've said this before, but I just don't understand all the wah hate on this board. I love wah, and think it's a great fun effect you can do a lot of cool stuff with.

It's more than a little irrational.

#filterssweeping4lives

Pete wrote:Man, I've said this before, but I just don't understand all the wah hate on this board. I love wah, and think it's a great fun effect you can do a lot of cool stuff with.

There is a lot to the culture of this board being against things just because they are what is considered "the norm" sometimes it's cute, sometimes it feels like you are stuck in an unending Will Ferrell movie about a man trying to figure out how to dislodge a small furry mammal...

I kind of get not being into wah cause of "hard rock" or "bluesy rock" or "trucker music" (I happen to like that stuff too but I digress ). But "psych-rock"? People here don't like that?

Whammy [not whammy bar] is something I just do not care for unless someone else is doing weird things with it, and not as a cornerstone of their sound. Trying to work it like just another utility effect is repelling.
I appreciate seeing it on boards more than hearing it

Idiom repeated by many old timers, "you aren't truly a guitarist until you've bought, sold and bought another wah"
Idk about yall but I hadn't heard of this until it happened to work out that way for me. Joined ILF shortly after selling a Teese RMC2 (iirc) and at the time would lament how quite frankly, I sucked at wah but enjoyed what others can do with it, the go-to being Swervedriver - Duress.
It has a wild learning curve. Finding the right voicing and position in your signal chain where it plays nicely with other gear...it aint just about buffers and impedance (mis)matching but the gain-staging and eq curve can be downright obnoxious in getting it to sound/respond like the thing in your head.

In my case I was overwhelmed by the sweep-range and Q controls of the Teese, and didn't care for the FoxRox retrofit buffer inside. After staying away for 2 years, I tried a bunch of "it is what it is" wahs and realized 70s-80s [pre-buffer] Thomas Crybaby & Vox circuits are what work for me, but not without some work by me. Give me 1 sweep range/Q/voicing for some hours and I'm likely to get better results figuring out how to make that sound great in (most) any situation with my other rig, rather than struggle to dial-in a wah with 5-position rotary and variable Q control only to feel "meh" toward the sound in the end while internally dithering between position 2 & 3

Yeah I bought a CGB-95.. sold iy.. and then bought a 535Q.. which I still own. I like that it has a selectable envelope range, and a boost. Love it for sure.

As said above, I also do not dig the whammy effect. It's been used with success here and there, but not recently.

I like harmonizers/pitch shifters when used tastefully or terrifyingly. Octave down makes me feel funny inside.

But I'm not a fan of the divebomb whammy pedal trickery

Could be wrong, but diving into this further, I usually find the melodic content questionable and not so much the effect (mostly in guitar solos to be honest). So I think whammys and wahs get a bad rep because - the source material isn't there .

I sometimes have the suspicion that extended range instruments get a bad rep for a derivative of that same reason (I think more people would find them useful if they didn't feel compelled to play the genres associated with them). My "nice" guitar is a 9 String and I can tell you...for every "song" I write...I NEVER use all the strings. I sort of use the top ones so that I don't have to change tunings on my other instruments. Trust me, not playing djent and melodic death core over here . That said, nothing against those genres and nothing against people that utilize all the strings (in fact the opposite, nothing but praise on my end).