New concepts for effect pedals?

[Roseweave]

Harmonising like you mean it I think is "intelligent" and can't really be done easily with analogue circuits. The circuit needs to "know" what pitch is playing through it. That's not impossible though, after all there are analogue tuners so there must be some way to feed pitch as signal and have some kind of logic gate in there somewhere.

[CBGB]

If it was possible, I wouldn't expect an analog harmoniser to sound pitch perfect and be super intelligent.

Thinking about it, can't some octave fuzzes can produce 5th notes? A dedicated 5th-note-up and -down fuzz would be ace! And if a 5th can be done, what a bout a 4th or a 3rd...?

[less_cunning]

I'm pretty sure Line6 did something like that...

Here ya go http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/03/ ... fx-pedals/

yeah like that. i think i heard of that before. i am wondering though. are you limited to tweaking Line 6 DSP code though. i think something like that would be cool to use w/ other VSTs or what have you...

[Roseweave]

If it was possible, I wouldn't expect an analog harmoniser to sound pitch perfect and be super intelligent.

Thinking about it, can't some octave fuzzes can produce 5th notes? A dedicated 5th-note-up and -down fuzz would be ace! And if a 5th can be done, what a bout a 4th or a 3rd...?

I imagine it can be done yeah as long as it remains a fixed amount of semitones away etc. but I don't know what would cause it. 5ths are more "Inherent" to the root note which is why you can play powerchords with absolutely everything. I think some ethnic instruments have 5ths in them, unsure.

The Pentatonic scale actually seems to be something inherent to our brains and how we percieve difference in frequency. Nobody knows why the fuck that is, but it is. Other notes may be a bit more "abstract".

[Scruffie]

If it was possible, I wouldn't expect an analog harmoniser to sound pitch perfect and be super intelligent.

Thinking about it, can't some octave fuzzes can produce 5th notes? A dedicated 5th-note-up and -down fuzz would be ace! And if a 5th can be done, what a bout a 4th or a 3rd...?

I imagine it can be done yeah as long as it remains a fixed amount of semitones away etc. but I don't know what would cause it. 5ths are more "Inherent" to the root note which is why you can play powerchords with absolutely everything. I think some ethnic instruments have 5ths in them, unsure.

The Pentatonic scale actually seems to be something inherent to our brains and how we percieve difference in frequency. Nobody knows why the fuck that is, but it is. Other notes may be a bit more "abstract".

Yeah that's what I was saying about dirty down Octave (I can think of several down octaves that have an harmonized sound to them that would be great places to start) with some upper on top with the short delay time to give it a reverb feel like the spring chicken to add some atomsphere to it.

And have an look for the ADA Harmonizer, that's probably as close as you'll get in analogue and that's one big circuit, digital is much easier... well not for the average builder though.

[CBGB]

Yeah that's what I was saying about dirty down Octave (I can think of several down octaves that have an harmonized sound to them that would be great places to start) with some upper on top with the short delay time to give it a reverb feel like the spring chicken to add some atomsphere to it.

That sounds intriguing. Not sure I can quite picture/hear it, but it does sound intriguing. Some kind of multi-voiced fuzz thing - original note, octave down and up, and some kind of harmony too?

[Scruffie]

Yeah that's what I was saying about dirty down Octave (I can think of several down octaves that have an harmonized sound to them that would be great places to start) with some upper on top with the short delay time to give it a reverb feel like the spring chicken to add some atomsphere to it.

That sounds intriguing. Not sure I can quite picture/hear it, but it does sound intriguing. Some kind of multi-voiced fuzz thing - original note, octave down and up, and some kind of harmony too?

I recon it could sound quite harmonized that or crazy open (cause of the verb that could also be used as a delay) up and down fuzz octave... something goods gotta come out of it.

[CBGB]

i think we should be seeing some REALLY cool stuff come out of the Malekko world pretty soon here... his work with the modular synth stuff is gonna give him some insight into what can be done with pedals far beyond just what you can put on a pcb i think.

I can't wait... whatever it is we are waiting for! And the connection to modular synths makes a lot of sense.

[CBGB]

Yeah that's what I was saying about dirty down Octave (I can think of several down octaves that have an harmonized sound to them that would be great places to start) with some upper on top with the short delay time to give it a reverb feel like the spring chicken to add some atomsphere to it.

That sounds intriguing. Not sure I can quite picture/hear it, but it does sound intriguing. Some kind of multi-voiced fuzz thing - original note, octave down and up, and some kind of harmony too?

I recon it could sound quite harmonized that or crazy open (cause of the verb that could also be used as a delay) up and down fuzz octave... something goods gotta come out of it.

Right, right...

Is a clean(ish) version possible, i.e. not dirty octave down?

[Scruffie]

It's gunna be a bit dirty but it should hopefully clean up nicely, think of Blue box, it's dirt is kinda part of it's harmonizey sound, then have optional extra fuzz and with a green ringer or small octave up circuit it shouldn't be too dirty there either, i'd be getting into fundamental extraction if it was completely clean and that could make it big, best fundamental extractor i've seen is on the Foxrox Octron and the one designed for the EHX Octave Multiplexer... I could try it but i'l see what the original outcome is.

[CBGB]

If you do build anything like this an an experiment, I'd love to hear sound clips. The next development of octave fuzz?

[Scruffie]

Lol i'm no genius but I am up for making a crazy effect, if I get some cash to try it out, yeah i'l send you some sound clips for sure.
Who knows, maybe I will fluke something good.

[CBGB]

There's not a massive number of people out there truly experimenting, so it's great to see people on this forum who are up for trying.

[CBGB]

Ok so even an analog harmonizer would be an evolution, not a revolution... but what about new pedal concepts?

[Scruffie]

An entirely new pedal concept, A spherical spiral or helix wave pedal! I don't know what it would sounds like, but I wanna hear it and it would have to have art all done by hand with a spyrograph.

I was thinking about some kind of more basic version of the EHX microsynth being kinda cool, not exactly new but fun, with analogue technology most people have covered the sensible grounds of madness and things start to look huge or impossible further down the line, we need some DSP capable members really otherwise it's just combining old ideas with differen't ideas,

FSH (Filter Sample & Hold) is something that hasn't been over done too much, but tbh I don't really care for it either... arpeggiators are kinda cool, but that's more of an digital thing too... just have to hope for new tones but I can't see anyone really re inventing the wheel unless it's an happy accident.

I've chatted to some really innovative pedal makers in the past... What's been done has been done and those ideas get stuck to, new tones though can still open up a whole new world of music but maybe we need to look at how we play rather than effects we can add.