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Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:52 pm
by worra
Antlerface wrote:Boomerang or Ditto x2.
I like running the x2 at the beginning of a chain and running a standard Ditto at the end of the chain.
The EHX didn't do it for me, the DL4 is gigantic. So is the Boomerang. You could jam a few of the Ditto all over the place and have really easy to use dedicated loopers in a few spots. Just sayin' that's what I dig.
That's exactly what I do:
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:56 pm
by 01010111
It doesn't seem to be a size that works well for standard-size stomp boxes, but I found a couple of examples on their forum:
http://community.axoloti.com/t/anyone-p ... ure/140/77
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:28 pm
by decomposing
I would go back to the dl4 except the short time again and the glitch when double tapping reverse.
other than that it's pretty solid like the akai.
any ditto x2 owners comment to fidelity? and stability?
I use to have a ditto but want a stop button. I get lost in what I'm doing and double tapping to stop requires rethinking the down-beat. yes?
or ehx 720 owners as timing and glitching out? I want love ehx again.
EQD should enter this market...
and so the beta x4 firmware is fixed as far as most issues so you can use it live?
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:31 pm
by worra
No fidelity issues on mine, and I got the X2 because I wanted a dedicated stop button.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:17 pm
by decomposing
worra wrote:No fidelity issues on mine, and I got the X2 because I wanted a dedicated stop button.
ok cool. probably go that route and downsize the akai, or keep it for the return to original feature.
if it had longer time, that would be amazing. but still cool.
russian circles uses that a lot for buildups.
though if the ehx 720 is equally as solid as x2 with more, then...
I like the external footswitch for loop up/down and undo/redo. effect would have been nice to toggle that?
pedal genie...
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:30 pm
by spacelordmother
Reminds me that I really need to build a box and hook up some knobs and buttons to mine...
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:38 am
by Dandolin
How long is long?
tl/dr the Vox may be worth a flyer for cheap.
I just got a Vox Dynamic Looper for $64 that is as deep as it is huge. But you can really do a lot with it. Pre-fx are a bit naff, mostly, but the verbs are serviceable vanilla and the delays sound like Delaylab algos, so not bad at all. The Spacestation-ish synth swell is fun, and the dubby synth bass ain't half bad (smarter to leave the filter squelch alone so good onya Korg/Vox).
Lot's of flex in loop creation--defeatable metro gnome, selectable loop quantization, etc., etc.
Every single stinking demo out there fails.
Major limitation (aside from sheer mahoose-ivity) is loop time. In this day and age, 90 seconds total b/w 2 loops ain't much, perhaps. It gets me over the 28 second DL4 hump that killed my dreams of looping out during the old band's longest breakdown (a cycle of 4 approximately 32 second passages building in intensity), but it's not enough to cover everything in the newer more ambienter project.
Still worth it all because the loop effects are killer--far beyond the Ditto X4 I had to sell to pay for med bills. Think more like the loop effects in the Tine Factor/H9.
Mahoosiveness slightly mitigated by included expression pedal for slow loop scrubs and other tricksiness.
And yes, the pitch effects do suck as bad as they sound, so that could definitely kill the appeal for many. But the double speed octave up loop card can only be played so many times in a night before getting back-of-the-fridge-herring old. For me the shelf date on that trick has now sunk to none, so I'll be ok without.
Addendum:
Too long post already, but, should add, the killer app is the re-sampling function--so you can make yer loop, chop it all to fuqq with the post loop fx, and print that by re-sampling it and let the chopped version run while you knob twiddle/tune/beerswig/merch out; whatever it is you're doing between songs. Or don't print it--let the unadorned loop run and waggle the pedal each time you complete a stage lap. Choice is good.
But don't listen to me; I like being that weird kid from the island of misfit toys with all the uncool gears. 
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:07 pm
by decomposing
Dandolin wrote:How long is long?
tl/dr the Vox may be worth a flyer for cheap.
I just got a Vox Dynamic Looper for $64 that is as deep as it is huge. But you can really do a lot with it. Pre-fx are a bit naff, mostly, but the verbs are serviceable vanilla and the delays sound like Delaylab algos, so not bad at all. The Spacestation-ish synth swell is fun, and the dubby synth bass ain't half bad (smarter to leave the filter squelch alone so good onya Korg/Vox).
Lot's of flex in loop creation--defeatable metro gnome, selectable loop quantization, etc., etc.
Every single stinking demo out there fails.
Major limitation (aside from sheer mahoose-ivity) is loop time. In this day and age, 90 seconds total b/w 2 loops ain't much, perhaps. It gets me over the 28 second DL4 hump that killed my dreams of looping out during the old band's longest breakdown (a cycle of 4 approximately 32 second passages building in intensity), but it's not enough to cover everything in the newer more ambienter project.
Still worth it all because the loop effects are killer--far beyond the Ditto X4 I had to sell to pay for med bills. Think more like the loop effects in the Tine Factor/H9.
Mahoosiveness slightly mitigated by included expression pedal for slow loop scrubs and other tricksiness.
And yes, the pitch effects do suck as bad as they sound, so that could definitely kill the appeal for many. But the double speed octave up loop card can only be played so many times in a night before getting back-of-the-fridge-herring old. For me the shelf date on that trick has now sunk to none, so I'll be ok without.
Addendum:
Too long post already, but, should add, the killer app is the re-sampling function--so you can make yer loop, chop it all to fuqq with the post loop fx, and print that by re-sampling it and let the chopped version run while you knob twiddle/tune/beerswig/merch out; whatever it is you're doing between songs. Or don't print it--let the unadorned loop run and waggle the pedal each time you complete a stage lap. Choice is good.
But don't listen to me; I like being that weird kid from the island of misfit toys with all the uncool gears.
so the vox is good? what does the whammy on it do? pitch the loop? not sure about that. I only need about a minute maybe?
the thing is the akai would be fine if it didn't cut it in half if you want to overdub.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:14 pm
by decomposing
http://looperpedalreviews.com/vox-dynamic-looper-vdl1/well I think the vox is out.
it seems cool but I'm sure as soon as I got the hang of it, something wold go wrong. lots of setup it seems.
I can use a volume pedal between certain loopers for similar effect.
want to compare the dittox2 vs the ehx720 vs the akai e2.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:27 am
by baremountain
decomposing wrote:any ditto x2 owners comment to fidelity? and stability?
worra wrote:No fidelity issues on mine, and I got the X2 because I wanted a dedicated stop button.
Not my experience at all... I can definitely hear a difference in sound when I'm looping on the DittoX2. It's not horrible, and it doesn't happen *every* time, but there have been times when it was glaringly obvious and my input definitely lost its mojo once it was tracked on the Ditto.
Durability is good though! My only issue is the cap for my Stop switch popped off (the flat one they glue on to top of the post), but that's not a big deal.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:55 am
by worra
baremountain wrote:decomposing wrote:any ditto x2 owners comment to fidelity? and stability?
worra wrote:No fidelity issues on mine, and I got the X2 because I wanted a dedicated stop button.
Not my experience at all... I can definitely hear a difference in sound when I'm looping on the DittoX2. It's not horrible, and it doesn't happen *every* time, but there have been times when it was glaringly obvious and my input definitely lost its mojo once it was tracked on the Ditto.
Durability is good though! My only issue is the cap for my Stop switch popped off (the flat one they glue on to top of the post), but that's not a big deal.
I'll have to go back and record some examples to test it out. I will say that I've noticed this problem on my little mini ditto, but not on the X2 yet. Maybe that's just because I'm running the X2 early in the chain. I'll report back.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:59 am
by baremountain
Yeah, mine goes end-of-chain, so maybe it just fails to catch the nuances of other pedals. I hardly ever try and loop 100% clean, so YMMV with different placement.
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:15 pm
by Invisible Man
spacelordmother wrote:
Reminds me that I really need to build a box and hook up some knobs and buttons to mine...
We gotta talk more about this, SLM. Thinking hard about making this work for me...I've got 18" of enclosure space, so I figure I can comfortably do seven stomps to control looper functions with an Axoloti in the enclosure.
Loop one (record/dub)
Loop two (record/dub)
Play/Stop
Play once
Reverse
Speed
Fade
Could sync it all to MIDI clock, too, via my Pitchfactor.
You've got one--is that at all feasible? What do you do with yours?
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:30 pm
by Dandolin
decomposing wrote:http://looperpedalreviews.com/vox-dynamic-looper-vdl1/well I think the vox is out.
it seems cool but I'm sure as soon as I got the hang of it, something wold go wrong. lots of setup it seems.
I can use a volume pedal between certain loopers for similar effect.
want to compare the dittox2 vs the ehx720 vs the akai e2.
Yeah--the Vox isn't for everyone--but lots of creative possibility there imho.
Some of the knocks on the pedal on the page you linked are over-stated or inaccurate, but they might not even be significant to you. Just bugs me to see a review slag a pedal for having too much plastic when it is 95% sheet metal, 4% rubber and maybe 1% plastic. Most of the talk on that page about unreliable switches is speculative rather than anecdotal it seems to me. Also--complaining about a wah-style expression pedal needing occasional adjustment or calibration is weak-sauce. Truth is, the pedal's construction is closer to a nuclear bunker than it is to a Behringer stomp.
Thing about the Vox is, they clearly didn't design it to be integrated into a pedalboard set-up where the player is only occasionally looping--it's totally targeted at the "looper" who's going to have it engaged for an entire gig--so you'd have to chuck it in a tbp loop to get it out of your chain.
idk, it's probs overkill for most situations, but it is hella fun to play with and can make some seriously deep, inspired and fuqqed up sounding loops. On the downside--significant time investment is necessary to really understand and fully utilize the functionality crammed in there--it's not a DL4 or Headrush in terms of out-of-the-box, no manual reading loop-it fun times....
General sound quality is very good, but not platinum plated.
As I mentioned--quite a few of the pre-FX are lame, some decent, but they are totally not the reason to use the pedal. The loop fx go far beyond your Dittos, even the x4. Loop in loop? Shi is cray. You did say looping
madness yo.
I said the killer app was the re-sampling, but that might not be accurate--the killer app is probs "less than $70 used" haha.
OK, horse carcass flogged. This one will never be a TimeBender or even DelayLab in terms of cheap hidden gem factor--just worth a look is all....
Re: loopingMADNESS
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:45 pm
by spacelordmother
Invisible Man wrote:spacelordmother wrote:
Reminds me that I really need to build a box and hook up some knobs and buttons to mine...
We gotta talk more about this, SLM. Thinking hard about making this work for me...I've got 18" of enclosure space, so I figure I can comfortably do seven stomps to control looper functions with an Axoloti in the enclosure.
Loop one (record/dub)
Loop two (record/dub)
Play/Stop
Play once
Reverse
Speed
Fade
Could sync it all to MIDI clock, too, via my Pitchfactor.
You've got one--is that at all feasible? What do you do with yours?
Seems like all this could be done -- you just have to learn/know how to program tables. Not sure what the loop lengths are limited to (using board ram) or latency is like when saving/reading from an as card. Poke around the Axo forum -- lots of people looping and building tools to use.
The stomps and fades and clock syncs would be easy, and easy to add more features too.