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the5chord wrote:What is long delay mode on the re-20?

From the manual:

The RE-20 features two modes to select from.
Normal mode: The REPEAT RATE knob functions over the same range as the
RE-201. Additionally, the maximum value that can be set for
the tap delay time is three seconds (when the MODE
SELECTOR knob is set to the 3 or 7 position).

Long mode: The range for the REPEAT RATE knob setting is expanded to
twice the normal setting. Additionally, the maximum value
that can be set for the tap delay time is six seconds (when the
MODE SELECTOR knob is set to the 3 or 7 position).

It makes sense that the audio quality would be different in Long mode
as opposed to Normal mode. Since the delay time is twice as long, it
isn't surprising (but perhaps unfortunate) that the quality of the repeats
and behavior of the unit isn't exactly the same.

I still find it highly useful to have that extra 3 seconds so that I can
set up warbling, shifting delay-line loops that churn and gurn away.

So is there warble on the re-20? I can't find a delay that does modulation multi tap, besides the el cap.

neonblack wrote:So is there warble on the re-20? I can't find a delay that does modulation multi tap, besides the el cap.

There is a warble to the repears on the RE-20. There just isn't a knob that allows you to control
that warble.

The only way to impact it is to use the Mode Selector switch. Certain "tape head" combos have
more warble than others.

There is, it's subtle and most noticeable with 2+ heads since each head modulates differently.

Can the Digitech Timebender do modulated multitap maybe?

Timebender can (up to 6 heads, can manually tap the ratio of the heads as well). It won't be the same as the Space Echo's - the mod knob on the Timebender is pure chorusy-stuff (which ain't bad, but it's not the interplay I go into some detail with below).

And the modulation is best described as extremely subtle on the RE-20 (and the real ones) - it's just pure interplay. You get it with no-modulation pure digital delay if set to the right ratio and feedback (on the Quadraverb+'s stupid good multi-head mode, there's NO modulation but the interaction of the taps creates the illusion thereof. Can spread the taps to stereo max pan and listen individually, there's NOTHING there, but when you put 'em together, boom).

That's exactly what I want. I want subtle movement in the repeats.

I'm on the fence between the RE-20 and El Cap. I suppose both could be used in different ways and I always wished for one more preset on the El Cap. So I could set the RE-20 to do its thing and have a longer weirder delay and the sound on sound on the el cap.

The RE-20 is a ridiculous good impersonation of the Space Echo, preamp, dismal verb, and all.

I don't fire up my big green monster very much any more as the 20 more than fills my Space Echo needs (and they are real needs, the preamp is a foundational implement of my sound).

Got in 30 minutes before I picked up my kids from school. Not much can be decided in 30 but the repeats on the el cap sound thin compared to the re-20 but the el cap has a wider stereo field. Going to be hard to decide between these two.

the5chord wrote:el cap sound thin

Welcome to Strymon.

the5chord wrote:Got in 30 minutes before I picked up my kids from school. Not much can be decided in 30 but the repeats on the el cap sound thin compared to the re-20 but the el cap has a wider stereo field. Going to be hard to decide between these two.

That's weird I thought the re20 sounded thinner repeats wise, the el cap has secondary functions that you can tweak when you hold down both footswitches maybe that will help with the thin repeats?

Only thing on the RE-20 that's stereo (and I put it mildly) is the reverb. Rest will delay the incoming signal if stereo as it's presented IIRC (I don't have it hooked stereo in and use it as a splitter (because the verb 'stereo' is that minor) and put it out the same way. El cap tries to compensate for the delay engine by making spread (it's how I got the Quadraverb+ to sound right on my 301 patch, even though *all* the Space and Chorus Echos are mono).

Do you know if the RE-20 reverb gets 100% wet? It sounds like it but I don't know for certain. I want to record its impulse response is why I ask.

Never tried, can see after I have a quick nap.

friendship wrote:Do you know if the RE-20 reverb gets 100% wet? It sounds like it but I don't know for certain. I want to record its impulse response is why I ask.

I believe there's a switch on the back that cuts the dry signal from one of the inputs.