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Eivind August wrote:Not necessarily what you're looking for, but I'll post it anyway because sweet:

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Ok gonna go off topic on this one. Every time I hear music in this vein all I can think is "they're copping Tera Melos' vibe so hard." This record particularly so. But I don't know if that's kinda true or if it's because Tera Melos is the "oldest" band along these lines that I know. Does anyone have any insight on other influences that contributed to this sound? I'd be especially interested to know what Japanese bands were doing shit like this pre-2000 or a little afterwards. Toe came in around that time I believe?

& I know about Don Cab and Trans Am and Tortoise and that era of "math-rock", but I feel like this has a different quality to it than that sub-group of bands.

Chankgeez wrote:OK, popvulture, consider the floodgates now open.

I've been slackin' hard on the flood. So, let's start off with this one:

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voerking wrote:#shamelessselfpromotion

uh...

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Also, holy fuck dude your band rules.
What kind of bass is that?

kbit wrote:Ok gonna go off topic on this one. Every time I hear music in this vein all I can think is "they're copping Tera Melos' vibe so hard." This record particularly so. But I don't know if that's kinda true or if it's because Tera Melos is the "oldest" band along these lines that I know. Does anyone have any insight on other influences that contributed to this sound? I'd be especially interested to know what Japanese bands were doing shit like this pre-2000 or a little afterwards. Toe came in around that time I believe?

& I know about Don Cab and Trans Am and Tortoise and that era of "math-rock", but I feel like this has a different quality to it than that sub-group of bands.

nuito cop the early/best/instrumental Tera Melos vibe harder than any other band in Japan; i'd say that probably not many bands in that vein would know about them, though. a lot of Japanese 'math rock' bands aren't that familiar with the term because they kind of come to it from a different set of influences and culturally specific musical trends (pop/rock music can be more complex so the line can blur a lot between j-rock and math rock).
the super mathy stuff seemed to pop up pretty late in general. a lot of bands are heavily influenced by Number Girl (super important indie rock band that was around in the late 90s/early 00s) and more angular/post-hardcore tinged rock.

in the 90s you could look towards the experimental/zeuhl/RIO bands like Ruins and Happy Family which are super awesome (and relevant to this thread) but i'm not sure their influence seeped through that much (probably as far as more proggy math bands like sajjanu).



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Fuck yeah, Sajjanu and Ruins!

Also, Unutella came out the year after Drugs to the Dear Youth, so I'm not sure if they'd even heard of Tera Melos when they recorded it. As for influences, King Crimson springs to mind, among other things. Math is basically prog. And prog is life.

It's very possibly they didn't hear Drugs to the Dear Youth, or the first album, while writing their own album...
but it also kinda sounds like that's all they listened to when they were writing their own album

kbit wrote:It's very possibly they didn't hear Drugs to the Dear Youth, or the first album, while writing their own album...
but it also kinda sounds like that's all they listened to when they were writing their own album

i wouldn't be surprised at all.
i'm gonna post this now because it's still one of my favourite albums ever by a long shot.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB39MPJFSfM[/youtube]

Well, this precedes them both if we're looking only at modern examples:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrnmOPU4Z2M[/youtube]

I'm not sure anybody was "first", though. Angular, weird guitar in odd time signatures isn't exactly a novel concept. And they might get their influences from the least obvious places.

Edit: In case that sounded snarky (written pre-coffee), I'm not saying Tera Melos aren't somewhat influential, just that I'm unsure whether they are the progenitors of this particular «sound».

Regardless, this is all good musix.

kbit wrote:

voerking wrote:#shamelessselfpromotion

uh...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxd_Lu8VPA[/youtube]

Also, holy fuck dude your band rules.
What kind of bass is that?

thanks! it's a weird guitar/bass hybrid that was custom made by a guy who works at Sadowsky (while moonlighting on the side). i'm pretty sure it's a one-off.
we're about to record a new album (with this song on it).

Wait, I missed that because I was on my phone and it didn't show the title of the video. Holy shit, are you in Yowie?!

Eivind August wrote: Edit: In case that sounded snarky (written pre-coffee), I'm not saying Tera Melos aren't somewhat influential, just that I'm unsure whether they are the progenitors of this particular «sound».

Naw dude that's the exact question im asking, you're good

Well, Voerking should have the answer then, according to my questionable inferences.

WHERE IS THE SOURCE?! WHO FOUND OUT THAT YOU COULD PLAY FAST AND TECHNICAL, WHILE STILL BEING ATONAL AND FUN?!



(I think I need more coffee.)

kbit wrote:

Eivind August wrote: Edit: In case that sounded snarky (written pre-coffee), I'm not saying Tera Melos aren't somewhat influential, just that I'm unsure whether they are the progenitors of this particular «sound».

Naw dude that's the exact question im asking, you're good

ahah, it's so difficult to talk about because that 'sound' has popped up in a few different times and places coming independently from very different influences. If it was a trackable progression of influences you'd think Tera Melos would have been into Don Cab and Dazzling Killmen or whatever but they cite bands like Pixies and Black Flag as influences so i think it only becomes noticeable when bands consciously or unconsciously try and rip another band's sound and sort of succeed (which could be the case with nuito but they did a good job and that period pretty much ended when Vince left TM, so whatever. i'd say it's a pretty disparate kind of thing and you have people who wanna play more structured freejazz, or less heavy tech metal, or they like breakcore but don't play electronic music, or just play pop music and have musical ADHD.

voerking wrote:we're about to record a new album (with this song on it).

HELL YEAH

kbit wrote:

Eivind August wrote:Not necessarily what you're looking for, but I'll post it anyway because sweet:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvn43iSvO74[/youtube]

Ok gonna go off topic on this one. Every time I hear music in this vein all I can think is "they're copping Tera Melos' vibe so hard." This record particularly so. But I don't know if that's kinda true or if it's because Tera Melos is the "oldest" band along these lines that I know. Does anyone have any insight on other influences that contributed to this sound? I'd be especially interested to know what Japanese bands were doing shit like this pre-2000 or a little afterwards. Toe came in around that time I believe?

& I know about Don Cab and Trans Am and Tortoise and that era of "math-rock", but I feel like this has a different quality to it than that sub-group of bands.

Sometimes people kind of hit on the same things at certain times. Like if both bands had similar influences it makes sense they may make similar music.

Tera Melos was influenced by Dillinger a lot, ya? Dillinger seemed to be the band that did a lot of what other people followed. Though Mr. Bungle was doing kind of stuff that was a precursor to Dillinger.

Eivind August wrote:Wait, I missed that because I was on my phone and it didn't show the title of the video. Holy shit, are you in Yowie?!

yup. hi!