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I just failed with some of my facts in my brain haha. Kinda getting things mixed up.

I knew phase cancelation never works 100% (Cadillac did it in their radios by recording tire noise for a while and it worked kinda...). I guess I was kind of wondering about the "perfect case" I guess.

Unlatching the carrier makes total sense and is the simplest answer, haha. The Frostwave one gets around that by including a blend to go between internal and external carriers. Totally makes sense. Should give it another shot! I guess I was hoping for the octave up and DC in my head (when just working through the problem in theoretical situations). Got some routing problems/thoughts to work out!

ARP just listed the CMOS switching as digital in their service manual haha. (The only reason I said that). Makes sense either way (and parallels the BBD/CCD argument with clock signals and the like).

Thanks for the help!

I don't understand half of what you guys are talking about, but I bet it sounds amazing when put into practice!!!

That thing sound great!

Hey, Crochambeau and Galvey, great talk. Now combine your knowledge and make a ringmod.

Hahaha, crochambeau would out design me with a flick of his soldering iron.

I'm just a hack that can make things lego style sometimes haha...and have free time to read/confuse myself.

A list of Pedal/Table Top Ring Mods (bored and everyone has to work on Christmas haha):

• Alesis ModFX Bitrman
  • TYPE: digital
  Bananana GROWL 567
  Black Cat Ring Modulator
  Carlin Ring Mod
  • -TYPE: Transistor Gate
    -CO RANGE: N/A
    -CO WAVE: N/A
  CG Products XR1-E
  • -TYPE: IC
    -CO RANGE: Hi 8Hz - 18000Hz // Lo 0.15Hz - 60 Hz
  Copilot Android
  Copilot Planetoid
  Copilot Robotuum
  Craig Anderton Ring Modulator
  Death by Audio Crash Modulator
  Death by Audio Space Ring
  • -TYPE: Diode Ring
  DOD Gonkulator
  DOD Gonkulator Reissue
  Dr. Blankenstien Illumiringer
  Dr. Scientist Bitquest!
  • -TYPE: digital
  Dwarfcraft HAX
  • TYPE: IC
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE:
    BLEND: 100% Wet/Dry (Some Balance Issues)
    EXP/CV: Frequency
    OTHER: Dirty Preamp
    POWER: 9v DC
  Electro Harmonix 40v Big Box Reissue Frequency Analyzer
  • TYPE: IC
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE: Sine (I think)
    CO INSERT: No
    BLEND: 100% Wet/Dry
    EXP/CV: none
    OTHER: Switched LPF
    POWER: 40v DC
  Electro Harmonix AC powered Frequency Analyzer
  • TYPE: IC
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE: Sine (I think)
    CO INSERT: None
    BLEND: 100% Wet/Dry
    EXP/CV: none
    OTHER: Switched LPF
    POWER: AC
  Electro Harmonix Frequency Analyzer XO
  Electro Harmonix Frequency Analyzer Nano?
  Electro Harmonix Ring Thing
  • -TYPE: digital
  EOwave
  Eventide stuff ... Though that ain't fun haha.
  Fairfield Electronics Randy's Revenge v.1
  Fairfield Electronics Randy's Revenge v.2
  • TYPE:
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE: Square/Sine
    BLEND:
    EXP/CV:
    OTHER:
    POWER: 9v DC
  Frostwave Blue Ringer
  Frostwave Blue Ringer v.2
  • TYPE: IC
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE: Square-Sine Hybrid (I think)
    CO INSERT: Yes
    BLEND: 95% Wet/Dry (My best guess)
    EXP/CV:
    OTHER: Mic preamp, Blendable internal CO/external CO
    POWER: 16v DC
  Gigahearts Lovetone workalike.
  Heavy Electronics Saturn
  • TYPE: IC
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE: Square-Sine Hybrid (I think)
    BLEND: 100% Wet/Dry (Some Balance Issues)
    EXP/CV: Frequency (exp only)
    OTHER: FET preamp
    POWER: 9v DC 200ma
  Hexe The Carrier
  Hexe The Carrier V.2
  Hexe The Carrier V.3
  Industrialectric 4046m
  Jen/Gretsch HF Modulator
  Korg Toneworks
  • -TYPE: Digital
  Lastgasp Art Laboratories Sick Pitch King
  Lastgasp Art Laboratories Sick Pitch King Jr.
  Lastgasp Art Laboratories Toxic Plant
  Lovetone Ring Stinger
  M.A.S.F. Swan Song
  M.A.S.F. Swan Song V.2
  Maestro/Oberheim Ring Mod
  Melos Ring Mod
  Metasonix TM-1
  • TYPE:
    CO RANGE:
    CO TYPE:
    CO INSERT: Yes
    BLEND: 100% Wet only when balanced
    EXP/CV:
    OTHER: Tube Based Waveshaper
    POWER: 15v AC
  Montreal Assembly CA Ring Modulator
  Moody Way (Carlin)
  Moog Minifooger Ring Mod
  • -CO RANGE: 90Hz - 1500Hz
  Moog Moogerfooger MF-102 Ring Mod
  • -CO RANGE: hi 60Hz - 4000Hz // Lo 2Hz - 103 Hz
  Mythfx Infinium
  Parasit Studios Corruptor
  • -TYPE: IC
  Parasit Studios King Corruptor
  • -TYPE: IC
  Rastop Bass Ring Modulator
  Rastop Ring Modulator
  Seppuku/Audioslime Hystersis
  Snarling Dig Mold Spore
  Studio Electronics ModMax Ring Modulator
  Subdecay Vitruvian Mod
  • -TYPE: Digital
  Way Huge Ringworm
  • TYPE:
    CO RANGE: 30Hz - 4000Hz
    CO TYPE: Sine (I think)
    CO INSERT: No
    BLEND: 100% Wet/Dry
    EXP/CV: EXP (frequency)
    OTHER: LFO CO Modulation (Step, Env, Sine, Square, Random)
    POWER: 18v DC
  Wilson Mycelium
  Yamaha MagicStomp
  • -TYPE: Digital
  Zoom
  • -TYPE: Digital
  Zvex Ringtone
  Zvex Super Ringtone

A list of Rack Ring Mods:

• Bode Ring Modulator
  Boss GX 700
  Boss SE 70
  DACS FREQue
  DACS FREQue II
  Vermona RM-1

Other Ring Mods:

• Buchla Music Easel
  Dewtron kit
  Synthrotek Passive Kit
  Trogotronic 666

A list of Modular Ring Mods:

• Addac 602
  Analogue Solutions RM
  Bubblesound LVL+RM
  Buchla 285e
  Delptronics
  Division 6 Morpheum
  Doepfer A-114
  Doepfer A-114v
  Dwarfcraft Devices HAX
  EMW Ring Modulator
  Erica Synths Fusion
  Intellijel UMOD II Ring Modulator and Logic
  Mutable Instruments Warps
  Pittsburgh Modulator
  Pulp Logic Primitave Ring Modulator
  Serge
  Studio Electronics Sci-Fi

Other pedals that just get really fast modulation and claim ring modulation (or ring mod like) (not a criticism, just used the ring mod is mentioned in their information...usually phasers do this):

• Blackout Crystal Dagger
  Blackout Sibling
  Electro-Faustus Guitardämmerung
  infanem Compact Faye Sing B
  Recovery Motornatic
  Seppuku Hysteresis

Honorable Mention/Other Oddities:

• Copilot Caracol
  Green Ringer
  Holowon Thermal Wave

Jury is out

• Effector 13 Handroid

Let me know if there are any to add to the list!

Bah, you give me too much credit. I do have a ring mod in the works, but it's down a ways on the priority list (and behind a couple things that will take me some time to bring about).

In rack mount: Vermona RM-1

crochambeau wrote:Bah, you give me too much credit. I do have a ring mod in the works,

lordgalvar wrote: Honorable Mention/Other Oddities:

• Green Ringer

crochambeau wrote:Bah, you give me too much credit. I do have a ring mod in the works, but it's down a ways on the priority list (and behind a couple things that will take me some time to bring about).

In rack mount: Vermona RM-1

Nah, I just have very little experience and that little bit is over 10 years fallow (and related to the oil industry and metallurgy...so mechanical haha).

And glad you saw that thread shout out Chankgeez haha!

LG, you should cross-check your ring mod list against FXDB.

Rastop apparently makes a ring mod and a bass ring mod. Apparently has envelope-control too. The sound samples on his website are really short and not that impressive. I'm interested in stuff like that though.

Also, the never produced Mu-Tron VII apparently would've had a ring mod in it.

Also, listen to this bad boy:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yly53-kN_KQ[/youtube]

I actually did...was just trying to weed out some of the impossibilities (but I did run across that Mu-Tron VII....dang, too bad it was just a prototype).

I forgot about Rastop. Ran across him a long time ago...saw one of his effects for sale once, but never really looked much into it...I guess the bass would refer more to the env frequency than the ring mod? because...yea...

Like there is one called Vulcan Argonaut that was Harmonic Percolator + Ring mod + something else...they made like 4 and jad fair owns one...haha...I just kinda quickly picked out the ones the stuck out from FXDB...lots of phasers in there though too.

I didn't even look into the rack and table top ones on there...

What do you think the best way to measure the actual range of a carrier osc is (functionally) since most of the time it can't be heard without the carrier...just for information sake...should I use an oscilloscope and just take a picture with the modulator being set at like Low E (open string 6) on the lowest frequency carrier setting and the highest E (12th fret open string 1) on the highest frequency carrier setting just for an overall comparison? I guess it might be easiest to find out the wave form of each too (like perfect sine, slanted sine, almost square, etc). That would be the functional range I guess without inserting an external carrier.

Would that even be useful (it might be too much work honestly)?

Or just do a comparative report?

Or does no one care but me? haha

I do know that I want the same kind of ring modulator as Jad Fair though. That's be pretty sweet. Too bad there're only a few.

Looks like it has a bit of a certain period Seppuku thing goin' on graphically.

That thing looks sweet...I dunno, they say they do custom...but it would be a risk. Their only distro only ships within Denmark. I'm curious about it and the only reason they discontinued it (and replaced it with a normal fuzz) is because of the transistors from the harmonic percolator...

Seems like they could just replace it with something else...or talk them into making one with a green ringer? haha...mostly want to know about their ring mod though...

eh, effffffffffffff it...

I'll just do it myself.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3eNFOHrR4[/youtube]

If any of you ring mod homies want to hit that Danish ring mod I'm happy to be an intermediary and negotiate with the treacherous Danes. Or like, get them to ship it to me and I'll ship it to you. Not that Sweden is in Denmark. Well, not for the last few centuries anyway. More that it's no great hassle shipping within Scandinavia.

This thread just makes me want to put Randy back on my board. But I'm using the BitQuest for ring mod currently. It's great. But Randy is greatest.

Thanks for the kind offer, goroth. I'm gonna pass for now though.

I've got a Swedish ring mod on the way in the form of a Moody Sounds Moody Way. I'll report on it here when it arrives and I've spent some time with it. I'm hoping to get it to sound like the Swedish Chef from the Muppets:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZlyViBgiM[/youtube]

Yeah, the ring mod on the BitQuest isn't too bad. Not as great as Randy's, of course, but pretty good for a multi-effector. BitQuest is a mo' versatile pedal overall though.