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Yea, that's when I got mine as well. Used v3 and hacked it to function on Win7, then 4, then 5.

Haven't bothered to upgrade to the newest editions, as it does exactly what I want.

My machine is a beast, but I just like the program and I can say this much: it's never ONCE crashed in me in almost ten years of using it.

Ev_O))) wrote:I fucking despise protools. My primary DAW is Ableton, and I had a Mastering exam at uni the other day in which we had to submit a protools session among other things and during my time in the studio I spent more time calling the computer a cunt than getting anything done. So convoluted when compared to my beloved Ableton.

So firstly I would reccommend that. It works pretty amazing for everything despite being pidgeon holed as having an electronic music focus.

However, my second DAW and the one I run on my "on the move" rig (aka shitty old laptop) is Reaper. A truly flexible piece of software. It can and will mould itself to your will. It has no inbuilt "pre-conceptions" as to it's use (I know its a piece of software and you can do what you want but it's just so chill in its lack of implied direction).
It's super cheap for a comercial licence and for simply tracking and mixing then I highly recommend it. Also you pay only once, and all the updates from there on in are FREE!
That said, for outright experimental musical fuckery than ableton is god and I would direct you to the computer based drone thread that is currently active for anecdotal evidence to this effect (Max for Live being my weapon of choice).

A lot of people seem to like Logic but after extended experience I really dislike it. It just strikes me as like a song writing tool in a lot of ways.

TLDR:
Awesome amazing comprehensive DAW: Ableton
Awesome amazing cheap mixing and mastering tool: Reaper

I should add that I dont want to sound like I'm underselling Reaper at all. It's a super cool no fucking around fully functioning super cheap music creation platform.

I love Ableton but you can't do much in terms of editing audio - you can, as far as I know, snip an audio clip. You can choose the star and stop points but you can't edit out a portion of audio. Do you use Reaper for that?

All Soundforge here. It's basically a more user-friendly version of Audacity.

I approach it like photoshop. I record one stereo track at a time, flat and clean with no preamps, then apply compression/eq/gain/etc. to each recording afterwards, because fuck preamps. Chasing preamp tone is a fool's quest, and I get preferable results with arcane VST thaumaturgy anyway. Simply choosing post production over pre allows me to make sure each recording comes out exactly right, and touch them up until they're inhumanly beautiful.

For the mixing stage, I start with a stereo drum track, which acts as a frankenstein skeleton for the finished song. I mix all the other tracks into this ONE by copy & paste, finding just the right level to stitch each sound in at, until it's a full body with muscles and skin and hair and nails, organs, fluids, violent tendencies and such.

The peaks often get too high when slapping recordings atop one another like this, so I have to go in with the volume envelope to smooth them out sometimes. Sounds like a pain I know, but the rich, full sound that comes from layering premastered tracks is SO worth it, and fuck using a limiter too, and fuck a rendered mixDOWN. This is real rendering. The final result of any DAW is going to be a stereo wav or aiff file anyway, so I just put all the work in directly on that file, like a painting or a sculpture (or a frankenstein). I can photoshop the shit out of it, change a color here a texture there, or just add random cats, rainbows and eye lasers.

Also, I never have a PROJECT open that has 20 to 40 to 280 fucking lines of tracks, commands, and all that other shit. I fuck with the final track only, and it's permanent. If other sounds need tweaking, I just do whatever I have to do to that file, copy it, and paste the fucker in. Keeps things moving.

If I ever need sequencing I just use Reaper, or even Vegas, but just for that, usually just to chop & sync something to a tempo, then I render and run back to the Forge. It's just what I got comfortable with really, but the process has yielded some nice rewards, that seem to be unattainable by any other means.

Faldoe wrote:

Ev_O))) wrote:I fucking despise protools. My primary DAW is Ableton, and I had a Mastering exam at uni the other day in which we had to submit a protools session among other things and during my time in the studio I spent more time calling the computer a cunt than getting anything done. So convoluted when compared to my beloved Ableton.

So firstly I would reccommend that. It works pretty amazing for everything despite being pidgeon holed as having an electronic music focus.

However, my second DAW and the one I run on my "on the move" rig (aka shitty old laptop) is Reaper. A truly flexible piece of software. It can and will mould itself to your will. It has no inbuilt "pre-conceptions" as to it's use (I know its a piece of software and you can do what you want but it's just so chill in its lack of implied direction).
It's super cheap for a comercial licence and for simply tracking and mixing then I highly recommend it. Also you pay only once, and all the updates from there on in are FREE!
That said, for outright experimental musical fuckery than ableton is god and I would direct you to the computer based drone thread that is currently active for anecdotal evidence to this effect (Max for Live being my weapon of choice).

A lot of people seem to like Logic but after extended experience I really dislike it. It just strikes me as like a song writing tool in a lot of ways.

TLDR:
Awesome amazing comprehensive DAW: Ableton
Awesome amazing cheap mixing and mastering tool: Reaper

I should add that I dont want to sound like I'm underselling Reaper at all. It's a super cool no fucking around fully functioning super cheap music creation platform.

I love Ableton but you can't do much in terms of editing audio - you can, as far as I know, snip an audio clip. You can choose the star and stop points but you can't edit out a portion of audio. Do you use Reaper for that?

Yeah it's way more limited in that respect than my previous platform Cubase, which I assume is similar to PTOOLS in that regard.

I never reay edit audio in a corrective fashion myself though so it's never been an issue for me.

if you liked sony/sound forge acid (as i did back in the day) then you will adore ableton (which i have been using for a few years)

in between those 2 DAWs i used sonar for a while

ableton does everything those other 2 do, it does it better, in a more stable fashion, and most importantly in a more intuitive fashion.

not much of a learning curve. some instructional videos mebe to help u get started quicker. thats what i did. it didnt take long. it was a natural progression. it does a lot of stuff really well. the built in timestretch stuff is so fab. for example

Ev_O))) wrote:

Faldoe wrote:

Ev_O))) wrote:I fucking despise protools. My primary DAW is Ableton, and I had a Mastering exam at uni the other day in which we had to submit a protools session among other things and during my time in the studio I spent more time calling the computer a cunt than getting anything done. So convoluted when compared to my beloved Ableton.

So firstly I would reccommend that. It works pretty amazing for everything despite being pidgeon holed as having an electronic music focus.

However, my second DAW and the one I run on my "on the move" rig (aka shitty old laptop) is Reaper. A truly flexible piece of software. It can and will mould itself to your will. It has no inbuilt "pre-conceptions" as to it's use (I know its a piece of software and you can do what you want but it's just so chill in its lack of implied direction).
It's super cheap for a comercial licence and for simply tracking and mixing then I highly recommend it. Also you pay only once, and all the updates from there on in are FREE!
That said, for outright experimental musical fuckery than ableton is god and I would direct you to the computer based drone thread that is currently active for anecdotal evidence to this effect (Max for Live being my weapon of choice).

A lot of people seem to like Logic but after extended experience I really dislike it. It just strikes me as like a song writing tool in a lot of ways.

TLDR:
Awesome amazing comprehensive DAW: Ableton
Awesome amazing cheap mixing and mastering tool: Reaper

I should add that I dont want to sound like I'm underselling Reaper at all. It's a super cool no fucking around fully functioning super cheap music creation platform.

I love Ableton but you can't do much in terms of editing audio - you can, as far as I know, snip an audio clip. You can choose the star and stop points but you can't edit out a portion of audio. Do you use Reaper for that?

Yeah it's way more limited in that respect than my previous platform Cubase, which I assume is similar to PTOOLS in that regard.

I never reay edit audio in a corrective fashion myself though so it's never been an issue for me.

ableton has all the same automated fading stuff with start and end points, or another way you can do it is a "split" on a piece of audio like a wav file and deactivate that snippet, so it's non destructive

maybe im missing what youre trying to do here, but i think that covers it?

Invisible Man wrote:

Invisible Man wrote:^^^Preach! I have no problems with this. Used PT; wasn't for me. What iteration of Ableton do you folks recommend looking at for starters? Some pals of mine swear by it...

For starters it's hard to go wrong with their Intro package. I think it's like $85 or something, which is expensive in some ways but about the price of your average Boss pedal in others.

https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/

Alright then. Things are slow at le job today (and every day...), so I guess I'll take a peek.[/quote]

ableton live 9 is the first version that is x64, something to keep in mind

any love for fl studio? I really like the simplicity, but it also has the ability to do everything I like