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5 DS-1s with your delays in the middle...

You got a freeze and two delays, one that can loop, you got the tools you need. Freak em and see what you can get.

If you want more, id second the zoom if you're cool with building your patches before playing. Not the easiest on the fly device. Hall of Fame is sweet too.

gordian knot wrote:

frigid midget wrote:

gordian knot wrote:so how cheap is 'on the cheap'

TBH I'm a little unclear as to what you really want to do.

What I've got in my head: Huge eery monotonous hypnotic drones, using layers, loops, samples...
For a somewhat avant garde project

I guess that's where I'm trying to get a little better bead on what you are looking to do because a lot of that description sounds like the kind of descriptors applied to the styles you are trying to avoid
So I'm trying to figure out what the diff is so we can maybe target some equipment that'd help with that differentiation

Yeah, I guess there's a fine line between what I wanna do and what I'd rather avoid do. I just want to stay away of 'pretty' sounds, I don't mind going a bit more abstract or noisy.

If I had to compare it to something...Maybe GYBE but without the melodies, dynamics, violins, and em...songs

Man, it really sounds like you want the RM-1N. But yeah, five DS-1s should do the trick as well. Or 36 DS-1s, with a different verb between each of them.

Eivind August wrote:Man, it really sounds like you want the RM-1N. But yeah, five DS-1s should do the trick as well. Or 36 DS-1s, with a different verb between each of them.

i'll assume your saying ds-1's for their cheapness, especially used but better can be found.
the first 2 years i did noise i only bought $20 (not including shipping) pedals. at that time there were a lot of dod's and ibanez's, i'm too much of a fuzz snob now to even consider that life again...

as far as delay maybe look into an akai headrush e1, using the tape mode and all four outputs into different lines will get pretty crazy, REALLY fast (especially if there are cheap delays and verbs at the end of each line)

daseb wrote:get something like the ms70, you've got a delay, maybe get a couple cheap contact mics. Limit yourself to the most simple setup possible and see what you can do with that and I guarantee you'll make more interesting music

THIS IS TRUTH.
(ikr, after i told you how to make the craziest most involved setup....)

BLOOD EAGLE wrote:as far as delay maybe look into an akai headrush e1, using the tape mode and all four outputs into different lines will get pretty crazy, REALLY fast (especially if there are cheap delays and verbs at the end of each line)

E2 version totally does the multiple tap outputs trick in tape mode, too.

Dedicated looper is a solid idea. For other reverb ideas, if you just want to tweak a few knobs and not do editing in an app, I'd look at digiverb/rv7/Polara. The first two don't have shimmer but have a MBV-esque gated mode instead.

Maybe too Post Rock/RV-3 zone, but the Muza ambience reverb/delay pedal still fascinates me. One of these days.

Gone Fission wrote:but the Muza ambience reverb/delay pedal still fascinates me. One of these days.

i have the distortion one, and i was pretty impressed, the tones aren't exact, but they're closer than whatever behringer....
that alone put the ambience on my list.

Gone Fission wrote:

BLOOD EAGLE wrote:as far as delay maybe look into an akai headrush e1, using the tape mode and all four outputs into different lines will get pretty crazy, REALLY fast (especially if there are cheap delays and verbs at the end of each line)

E2 version totally does the multiple tap outputs trick in tape mode, too.

Dedicated looper is a solid idea. For other reverb ideas, if you just want to tweak a few knobs and not do editing in an app, I'd look at digiverb/rv7/Polara. The first two don't have shimmer but have a MBV-esque gated mode instead.

Maybe too Post Rock/RV-3 zone, but the Muza ambience reverb/delay pedal still fascinates me. One of these days.

Just checked that Muza reverb/delay...

I don't know of any other pedals that combine both effects in one pedal without compromising on the options/settings. At least with my old RV-3, which is an awesome pedal btw- I couldn't tweak the delay of my choice, and combine it with the reverb of my choice, with the settings I like best...Just a handful of take it or leave it modes basically. Wich is rarely a real problem, but still, if the price is right and the overal quality is decent...

They don't seem to be easily available though, at least not in Europe :s

I'll chime in on the Timebender. Little known fact, in loop mode it acts as a pitch shifter. Put a reverb behind it, do two octaves up and swells and you recognize sounds from sigur ros. It's amazing. I've used a cathedral for quite some time as well. It has a built in freeze if you mod it for latching, which I recommend. That mod also makes the flerb setting useful. It can also act as a delay it you want to stack it.

Okay, I think I've got it all figured out now. This is what the board will have to look like eventually, in no particular order:

Volume, tuner, hotcake (low/med gain), wren&cuff mercy phuck (med/high gain), muskett (high/stupidhigh gain), ES-2, Timebender, Afterneath, Ditto x2, Freeze. And my only two modulation pedals will go somewhere in the middle: CE-2, DOD FX20. And an a/b:y switch somewhere too, for the loops and the stereo stuff of the tb.

The bass/doom/trash pedalboard will get the rest of my fuzz peds and the RV-7, or an even cheaper scaled down version to replace the RV-7 (guyatone MD3 or Ibanez DE7 purhaps)...

CSB!

Put some delay before the dirt...

sonidero wrote:Put some delay before the dirt...

Yeah, I usually try to sandwich at least one delay pedal between two dirt pedals.

Btw, what's the consensus on delay/verb through the fx loop? Depends on the amp/loop? I usually don't bother just cause I'm lazy and don't always have enough cables within reach, but I guess an fx loop can help mixing in delays without drowning the delay in dirt or vice versa

Depends on whether you're running a clean amp or not.

I usually don't use the loop on the things I have one on..unless I do.

Seriously though, it depends. I have my Timebender in the loop of my Mustang V head (stereo loop), with a shortcut to the patchbay to add additional stuff before/after or get a Timbender out as well.

My amp where I use the gain channel on it the most (Hot Rod Deluxe), Space Echo feeds the front end. If I kick on the gain, the thing just goes batshit, and I like it that way.

Same way I ran it in the days of single channel Fender stuff.

Use the head as a head and just delay dirt delay dirt delay dirt until it sounds good...