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Analog means "no computer chips"

colossus wrote:

Scruffie wrote:Technically, BBDs are digital in their operation in some regards, but we still call them analog and most people would, I think that's more of a purists debate.

There was an old rack chorus unit (Roland I think?) called a digital chorus but used a BBD funnily enough.

Hmm. I guess I have more reading to do. Is this because of the use of clock pulsing? Like, they're digital in the way they manage time?

Well both BBD & Digital employ sampling for the delay and yes the clock for a BBD is a square wave on/off signal which could be considered digital too, you'd have to really be pedantic to claim a BBD delay was digital though (the Roland unit probably used it as a marketing point as digital was up and coming at the time) I was just pointing it out.

I only use true analog delay, recording in caves.

Right. Digital in its discontinuity -- so the simplest "digital" -- but not digital in the way most think/talk about digital, i.e., programmed/programmable.

GardenoftheDead wrote:Analog means "no computer chips"

IDK about that, this is technically a computer chip:


Early computers (post vacuum tube designs like Eniac) had plug-in pcbs that were populated like other 70s audio electronics...channel strips, synths and tape machines etc. The presence of both transistors & IC chips were common, it's how they were implemented that splits hairs; but discrete electronics do facilitate the flow of electrons *in analog*. Also, those systems used magnetic media for memory and data storage, but they were written/read in code.

I define digital audio devices as those containing ADC and/or DAC, and any manner of tubes, transistors, op-amps and so on. Where the audio signal is processed via conversion to code and back again.

Too complicated. K.I.S.S.

any and all digitech/dod delays

analog means no 1/0 logic in the circuit, or at least involved with audio processing.

digital logic can be achieved using analog components, though it is unwieldy/impractical to do so nowadays.

When does 18 bit become vintage? Because as soon as it does, I'm slapping my XPS-400 back on my board and foot-treadling my decay time to infinity and back forevers. Unless I sell it to fund a spare kidney. Nah. Fuck kidneys.

Digital vintage doesn't become so precious that time melts.

Or if it does, let me know, I have the museum of 12 to 16 bit hellraisers here.

18-20bit converters have a great sound in their own right. If you've got them, use them! Try and compare to your modern solutions, you may be pleasantly surprised with the color option you forgot you had at your disposal.

rfurtkamp wrote:Digital vintage doesn't become so precious that time melts.

Or if it does, let me know, I have the museum of 12 to 16 bit hellraisers here.

Still want an sp1200, Emulator II, EPS. 12bit grit is ze shiz

When it comes to gear, it's easy to get overly concerned with spec sheets and numbers on paper...but sometimes an 8bit machine loaded with 15khz samples just sounds better than a 24bit sampler with 96khz versions of the same material.

ramonovski wrote:

frigid midget wrote:

ramonovski wrote:Pearl AD-08, Guyatone PS-014, Boss DM1.
And some russian(?) pedals I've seen on ebay which name can't remember... Definitely some history in those USSR-based pedals.

As for the rack, pretty much all Eventide stuff from the 70s/80s

Wait wut...So the AD-08 isn't analog

Well...that thing again... To me the only "analog" delay units are those where some kind of tape is involved.

where does this leave oil can delays, or big canyons?

Oil can delays generally don't have much actual time. I always called them modulated bad verb and you couldn't pay me to own one when they were giving them away in the 80s and early 90s.

I wanna hear an oil can delay run through a big canyon.

As far as vintage samples go, I still like me some mellotron, but I am currently re-discovering 12 bit grit from a DOD DFX9 and I am loving it.

cloudscapes wrote:
digital logic can be achieved using analog components, though it is unwieldy/impractical to do so nowadays.

Article is up. https://reverb.com/blog/digital-vintage ... onsidering

Robert, I responded to you

Heh, small world. Still not sure I really consider the MV2 "configurable" - and I doubt most people using them are doing much more than putting a 1/4" killswitch in the bypass jack in terms of routing.

Given the abrupt switching of patches, I took it out of my MIDI array long ago.