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I think this article proves 440 is more metal

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -to-432hz/

the nazi regime has been in favor of adopting this pitch (440Hz as standard after conducting scientific researches to determine which range of frequencies best induce fear and aggression.

FACT.

if this doesn't heal you, nothing will

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHctJZflh8[/youtube]

ok, so you've tuned your A to 432Hz. what about all the other notes you're playing? all the chords, the bent notes

and this idea that 432 is some magic number, apart from the fact that it isn't, you can't say that '432'hz has any special meaning. we only define that particular frequency as that particular number because at some point in history a 'second' was randomly defined as that length.
a 'second' is like a 'pound' or a 'kilogram' or a 'mile' or an 'inch', it's not something that has any inherent meaning, it's just a certain value that was defined at a certain point in human history.

structures in nature and biology do have resonant frequencies, like bridges that oscillate in the wind or from earthquakes, and maybe the frequency of 432hz itself affects something biological and/or emotional in some/many/all (doesnt sound anything special to me), but the idea that you can tune one note, A, to some frequency and then play all the other notes and have it mean something is just silly

I love you Doc.

Boxbie wrote:I think this article proves 440 is more metal

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -to-432hz/

the nazi regime has been in favor of adopting this pitch (440Hz as standard after conducting scientific researches to determine which range of frequencies best induce fear and aggression.

FACT.

That article almost has as many fallacies as a fox news piece.

goroth wrote:I love you Doc.

I second this notion.
What are we, hertz sniffers now?

I like it that the A:432 (reference pitch, i.e. every note is 8hz lower then with 440) has whole integers in herz for notes.

And this is interesting to note as well:
432 looks more detailed, and to me it feels kinda warmer, and like the harmonics have more depth to them.

I guess it's like the TONEQUEST all over again. Some hear it, some don't, ultimately it doesn't matter much.
(unless it really is a nazi conspiracy, but hey, they have people using floride so who knows )

Yeah, but if you watch them being generated in real time, there are really no striking differences like the carefully hand-picked stills suggest.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGTmF6xjKI[/youtube]

Concerning the whole numbers, I do like that. If you wanted, you could just define a unit of time so that instead of A=440Hz or A=432Hz, you could just have A=1. The ultimate OCD musicians frequency basis!

It's all here, including Saturn, nazis, cellular growth and crop circles...

http://gaearth.com/sound-as-medicine/a-432/

alexa. wrote:I like it that the A:432 (reference pitch, i.e. every note is 8hz lower then with 440) has whole integers in herz for notes.

And this is interesting to note as well:
432 looks more detailed, and to me it feels kinda warmer, and like the harmonics have more depth to them.

I guess it's like the TONEQUEST all over again. Some hear it, some don't, ultimately it doesn't matter much.
(unless it really is a nazi conspiracy, but hey, they have people using floride so who knows )

Particularly interesting stuff in Sections 1.6 and 2 on the site sourcing that *Wholesome Scale* chart.
His plotting of B and E are different than the ones I worked out in 2012.
I likely screwed up somewhere, will have to try them


Also IDK about that last part of your post
Or the "every note is 8hz lower" conclusion.

When comparing:
A=1760, 880, 440, 220, 110, 55hz
A=1728, 864, 432, 116, 108, 54hz
the difference across those 5 octaves is 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1hz respectively. It's exponential.

It seems the way these notes interact with one another (as pieces of a larger puzzle) is where the difference *matters* as the effect is cumulative.

*WARNING THIS IS ME RAMBLING AND SPECULATING, I MAY BE COMPLETELY FULL OF IT*

The pythagorean theorem is (apparently?) relevant to the way the amplitude and wavelength of perfect fifths *align*, where the ratios 4:3, 4:2, 3:2, and 4:3:2 (or their reciprocals) produce remarkable fractals and patterns that repeat throughout the natural world (honeycomb, snowflakes etc). Someone who actually enjoys maths should chime in, I know I'm likely to be crucially incomplete.

Anyway, from my layman's understanding (:lol:) the unit of measure seems less important than the ratios involved. Dat formula.

When a triangle is represented with proportions of a=2, b=3, c=4 then a^2 + b^2 = c^2

the interior angles are
40, 60, 80 degrees.

To apply the exponential doubling, or 100% increase 5 times:
40, 80, 160, 320, 640
60, 120, 240, 480, 860
80, 160, 320, 640, 1280 degree shifts.


*maths*

Oof

That all looks......well interesting on paper. Maybe. Many citations needed.
What I do know for certain, based on my own personal experimentation and comparison...my ear favors the difference I hear when using the 432 standard, within the context of my rigs and playing style

Rereading my previous post, I def messed up in the wording/attempted explanation of the pythagorean theorem/perfect fifths relation.
Come on, someone's gotta be able to simplify this. I've confused myself and likely others

rustywire wrote:*maths*

It's all Sound and all Sonidero Approved...

Don't forget that the unit of time we base Hertz on is arbitrary. So whether the diatonic scale can be expressed as integers or not is irrelevant because the time unit is not related to anything musical or particularly awesome, unless you like caesium atoms at sea level and they are important for your guitar. Which they might be.

alexa. wrote:I like it that the A:432 (reference pitch, i.e. every note is 8hz lower then with 440) has whole integers in herz for notes.

Not that it matters, but in the equal temperament with A=432Hz, the other notes do NOT have integer values, they are just rounded in that table.
(Yeah, I did the calculation **neeeeeeerd** )

rustywire wrote: When comparing:
A=1760, 880, 440, 220, 110, 55hz
A=1728, 864, 432, 116, 108, 54hz
the difference across those 5 octaves is 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1hz respectively. It's exponential.

It seems the way these notes interact with one another (as pieces of a larger puzzle) is where the difference *matters* as the effect is cumulative.

*WARNING THIS IS ME RAMBLING AND SPECULATING, I MAY BE COMPLETELY FULL OF IT*

The pythagorean theorem is (apparently?) relevant to the way the amplitude and wavelength of perfect fifths *align*, where the ratios 4:3, 4:2, 3:2, and 4:3:2 (or their reciprocals) produce remarkable fractals and patterns that repeat throughout the natural world (honeycomb, snowflakes etc). Someone who actually enjoys maths should chime in, I know I'm likely to be crucially incomplete.

Anyway, from my layman's understanding (:lol:) the unit of measure seems less important than the ratios involved. Dat formula.

When a triangle is represented with proportions of a=2, b=3, c=4 then a^2 + b^2 = c^2

the interior angles are
40, 60, 80 degrees.

To apply the exponential doubling, or 100% increase 5 times:
40, 80, 160, 320, 640
60, 120, 240, 480, 860
80, 160, 320, 640, 1280 degree shifts.


*maths*

Oof

That all looks......well interesting on paper. Maybe. Many citations needed.
What I do know for certain, based on my own personal experimentation and comparison...my ear favors the difference I hear when using the 432 standard, within the context of my rigs and playing style

**WARNING NERD ALERT**

Yeah so an octave is always a doubling of the frequency (that's the one definitve universal thing). But the Pythagorean scale (based on finding the perfect fifth with a 3:2 ratio) ends up messing the intervals (try moving up 12 fifths from a note, it won't match with 7 octaves up although it should **math alert** (3/2)^12 <> 2^7).
That's why we use the equal temperament, with the octave equally split (logarithmically) in 12 semitones.
**math alert** if anyone cares, the formula is [interval in semitones] = (12/log(2))*log(f1/f2), with f1 and f2 the frequencies of the notes in Hz.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: your argument is invalid

However, when in doubt, trust yer ears!

Did you guys watch that Ben Verellen class? He must have said "nerd alert" 20 times. It's my new favorite phrase.