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kaeth wrote:I know I'm in the minority, but my favourite Christian Death album is with Valor Kand: Atrocities.

KMFDM survived several... until Watts left.

Does Joy Division / New Order count?

Watts left after "Don't blow your top" and came back for a second on PIG vs KMFDM (which was a split) and NIHIL. Sasha was always kinda the guy/singer. En Esch left/kicked out after Adios and then Sasha got obsessed with that girl from drill and made some terrible garbage from MDFMK and on. Then there were the Skold albums (Adios and after for a bit) that were terrible too). I dunno, they are a weird collaborative thing and I think the best stuff was when Watts was in the band and that was the first three albums (Opium, WDYKD?, DBYT) + that split EP. Money and UAIOE were good too.

The Joy Division/New Order one I am kinda torn on but I guess it fits to me.

D.o.S. wrote:

cedarskies wrote:

jwar wrote:Some bands that failed IMO:

Pink Floyd (OMFG suck city!!!!!)

I would put Pink Floyd in the other category. Loose Syd Barrett, go in a different direction, super amazing.

Not to speak for JWar, but I have to assume he's talking about losing Roger Waters.

I thought that was obvious. LOL

jwar wrote:

goroth wrote:Hasn't Åkerfelt always sung for Opeth?

I like new Alice in Chains, precisely because they didn't try to replace Layne at all. It's different and doesn't have the same raw emotional pull as their Layne stuff but the new stuff is good music.

Nope! David Isberg was 1990-1992. During that time Mikael played guitar. He was there since the beginning and they didn't do a studio album until after Mikael.

Here check this out http://www.opeth.com/home/search/item/48-chapter-ii

Ah, didn't record any material, and left 2 years before their first release. Personally I'd wouldn't count that.

Oh, Arch Enemy!

untilshewokeme wrote:GWAR (not necessarily a fail, but Oderus Urungus is hard to replace)

I dunno, I am a fan of the new guy and his old/current band Kepone, and I saw his first set as the new Gwar lead at the last gwar b q and thought it was solid. I guess it'll take some new songs/studio album to be sure.

Also I've always considered Sasha the lead singer of KMFDM even though that's probably not really accurate, but I agree that their best stuff was with Watts.

lordgalvar wrote:Oh, Arch Enemy!

Wages of Sin was fucking awesome. Then the songwriting took a bit of a dump, and the productions just got too overblown. But I dig Wages a lot more than Johan Liiva fronted Arch Enemy.

Wages of Sin was great. I had never heard them until I saw them with Nile and Origin. Arch Enemy made those other bands look like amateurs. I went out and got wages of sin, not knowing she wasn't the original singer (I think Wages of Sin was brand new), and it came with a second disc with the old singer. That old stuff was terrible. Problem is, I ain't that big of a metal fan (GISM, Denak, Syphilitic Vaginas, Abigail, and Gridlink are about as metal as I get), so I never really followed them. Sad to hear it went downhill; they put on one hell of a show. Must have been almost 13 years ago or something.

Jakezor wrote:

jwar wrote:

goroth wrote:Hasn't Åkerfelt always sung for Opeth?

I like new Alice in Chains, precisely because they didn't try to replace Layne at all. It's different and doesn't have the same raw emotional pull as their Layne stuff but the new stuff is good music.

Nope! David Isberg was 1990-1992. During that time Mikael played guitar. He was there since the beginning and they didn't do a studio album until after Mikael.

Here check this out http://www.opeth.com/home/search/item/48-chapter-ii

Ah, didn't record any material, and left 2 years before their first release. Personally I'd wouldn't count that.

Your logic. Geez.

You're right. I just know they wouldn't have been good without Mikael singing. Ever hear the demo that did dude after they broke up? Sounds fucking awful.

My Bloody Valentine.

Napalm Death
Anthrax

lordgalvar wrote:Wages of Sin was great. I had never heard them until I saw them with Nile and Origin. Arch Enemy made those other bands look like amateurs. I went out and got wages of sin, not knowing she wasn't the original singer (I think Wages of Sin was brand new), and it came with a second disc with the old singer. That old stuff was terrible. Problem is, I ain't that big of a metal fan (GISM, Denak, Syphilitic Vaginas, Abigail, and Gridlink are about as metal as I get), so I never really followed them. Sad to hear it went downhill; they put on one hell of a show. Must have been almost 13 years ago or something.

Dude, I saw them at Wacken 2004 when they were still playing a fair bit of stuff from Wages and the show slayed. It was the middle of the day, 30 plus degrees and they just destroyed everything. I also got the original pressing of Wages with the bonus disc and I too wondered who the fuck was singing haha.

Gridlink are super good dude!

Mudfuzz wrote:Napalm Death
Anthrax

I really like John Bush's vocals - they're pretty much the best stereotypical tough guy metal dude vocals around - and he's really good live, but his vocals never really worked in Anthrax. Doesn't help that the material they wrote was light years better in the Belladonna days.

This is rad John Bush:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOiwEcJk8I[/youtube]

What about Fates Warning? Both eras are super different and both rule.

@Mudfuzz - fine, it's no Persistence of Time, but this is pretty cool:
- even though I'm doing my best to big up John Bush I still agree with you.

goroth wrote:@Mudfuzz - fine, it's no Persistence of Time, but this is pretty cool:

NSFW: show

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfT25gfatFk[/youtube]

- even though I'm doing my best to big up John Bush I still agree with you.

Scot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGAXqcXCnM[/youtube]

King Crimson?

Genesis?

The Minutemen?

TSOL? Joe Wood I thought did a good album with them but it wasn't TSOL. Genesis is a big one...though the Gabriel stuff was the good stuff even though Phil Collins isn't the worst stuff.

I read King Crimson and thought dude, King Diamond is still doing his thing and it's his band....then I was like wait, duh, shut up brain.

King Crimson is kinda more of Fripp's "way of doing things". My friend just saw some big deal show of theirs at the Orpheum in la. I almost feel like King Crimson is in the same boat as Santana and Rising Force (saying that of course to offend proggers as too many of my friends are...I keep telling them the Ramones are more impotant than Yes, but they dont listen).