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For what it's worth, I had a 616 for a while that I really really wanted to like...

Even at the most quiet setting, the modulation was overbearing, over the top, crazy. Not verry useable in a 'normal' context, where you'd want some subtle background warble or whatever. But the modulation can be turned off completely ofcourse, my main complaint was about the buffer switch. I couldn't get along with the buffer at all. It sounding like there was a blanket over my amp or, totally messed up my core tone. In TB mode I got a ton of extra noise. Don't know if there was something wrong with my particular unit or not, I know my experience goes against what almost everything you read about this pedal online:)

I found the buffer quite awful also, but not noisy in TB.
But I ran it in a fairly simple setup on a clean amp, so that may have a lot to do with that .

There's always some sort of issue with malekko stuff, I just can't be bothered, regardless of what they bring out. Sorry for being g such a sourpuss.

interestingly, i had a similar experience when i tried a 616 out in a store. it was strange. something about it was just sounded ... off. repeats were too bright or the clean tone was muffled.

on the other hand, when i got a 616 Dark, the repeats sounded much better to me and once i adjusted the internal trim so the level is at unity when i turn it on, i loved it.

OddKnowledge wrote:interestingly, i had a similar experience when i tried a 616 out in a store. it was strange. something about it was just sounded ... off. repeats were too bright or the clean tone was muffled.

on the other hand, when i got a 616 Dark, the repeats sounded much better to me and once i adjusted the internal trim so the level is at unity when i turn it on, i loved it.

Exactly.

Never messed with the 616 dark though. Might be another one to put on the short list. Though I'd have to know first it's not overly murky/washy sounding. A good deal of juicy warm degradation is awesome, too much is just messy and unaudible in a loud band imo. What do you think, how would you discribe it, aside from just 'dark'?

I play a tele into a vox, so my clean sound is pretty bright and mid-focused. with the more muted tone of the 616 dark, my repeats never overpower my dry signal. they just kinda sit there in the background and the modulation doesn't sparkle as much as on the regular 616. the modulation can still get pretty crazy, but with the mod depth barely up you can get a nice chorus with it.

OddKnowledge wrote:I play a tele into a vox, so my clean sound is pretty bright and mid-focused. with the more muted tone of the 616 dark, my repeats never overpower my dry signal. they just kinda sit there in the background and the modulation doesn't sparkle as much as on the regular 616. the modulation can still get pretty crazy, but with the mod depth barely up you can get a nice chorus with it.

F*ck. I play an esquire, jazzmaster and strat, through an AC15C2. Now the 616 dark is officially on the GAS list. Thanks.

Did anyone say Sunny Day Delay? Because Sunny Day Delay.

I have the special version ILF Day Delay but I think its the same thing. Momentary Switch for oscillation? Hell yes.

As awesome as the Sunny Day Delay may be...It only goes up to 500ms:s

I'll always keep another true digital delay delay on my board as well, but I'd really want my second analog-ish delay pedlol. I'm guessing the ILFDD is the same in that regard, 500ms max delay time?

Edit: Sorry, the OP mensioned shorter delay times aren't an issue. My bad.

ILFDD is up to one second. But clock noise gets higher and fidelity gets lower above 500ms.

This is starting to sound like a broken record after every good suggestion, but I already have an ILFDD. It's just to big for where I want it on my board. And it's one of the few pedals I have an emotional attachment to so I've got it on my home board rather than the gig board. Ain't no-one spilling beer on my ILFDD!

I think I'm going to pick up this lunar echo because it's so cheap I can offload it if I don't like it and probably make some cash on the deal, and it fits the bill pretty well.

Yeah, I'd do that too if I were you, it seems to be a really cool sounding delay.
I caved in and bought a No Memory after seeing that longer video the other day and I don't even know why, well, it seems to be able to put stratosphere blasting modulated velvety delay clouds behind what you're playing, that's probably why.

goroth wrote:ILFDD is up to one second. But clock noise gets higher and fidelity gets lower above 500ms.

This is starting to sound like a broken record after every good suggestion, but I already have an ILFDD. It's just to big for where I want it on my board. And it's one of the few pedals I have an emotional attachment to so I've got it on my home board rather than the gig board. Ain't no-one spilling beer on my ILFDD!

I think I'm going to pick up this lunar echo because it's so cheap I can offload it if I don't like it and probably make some cash on the deal, and it fits the bill pretty well.

-F*ck the home board, sell me the ILFDD.
-Or just hook me up with that Lunar Echo if you decide not to get it.

I bought it
Dude, your financial irresponsibility is infectious! But now I have literally no money and a week until I get paid. Haha.

goroth wrote:I bought it
Dude, your financial irresponsibility is infectious! But now I have literally no money and a week until I get paid. Haha.

Dibs on teh flip?

For the record: I've got it under control. For now. The only thing I bought in the last month or so is a used DL-8. Super cheap too, and only because I sold my VMSD and was left with not a single decent delay in my posession. Total responsible grown up purchase:)

Almost forgot, I'm picking up a new strat tomorrow