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I always seem to come back to my DE7. I don't really do too much ambient or crazy delay stuff, but I find it to sound just right in analog mode.
Lack of tap tempo can be a deal breaker for some........otherwise, I can't really find a fault in it. Sounds great. Hasn't broken. Does different stuff.

I also like the Red Panda Context. The delay/reverb setting is pretty good and sounds somewhat similar to the DE7 when dialed in right.
I was using only the Context for a while and easily filled in for the DE7.
Now I'm using both.

Just snagged an Echo Park too.

I bought a DelayLab(before the sale, doh), thinking it would be everything the DE7 could do and more. While it probably can.......I just can't seem to dial it in, in a way that sounds "right" to me. I can't get the mix just right....either too faint and washy or too bold.
Probably just my lack of attention and experimenting with it.
I really dig some of the stuff it can do. I particularly like the ambient delays, filter delays, and a few others.
The size isn't a big deal for me.
That said, I do have it up for sale right now. It's just more than I really need for anything that I'm doing.

I guess I don't really have anything to offer in the form of advice. :o

frigid midget wrote:As far as the Line6 Echo Park goes...I dont want to to sound too snobby or tgp'ish, but I did actaully own a DL4 for a long time...And when I upgraded to the VMSD, it was like trading in a 20" black and white tv for a 28" HD Flatscreen. Something about the repeats that just sound...'better'

I thought Line 6's delay models on the Echo Park were different to those on the older DL4, no?


p.s. For an affordable and well-built analogue delay, look out for the one by Tonerider (the pick-up brand). They're discontinued but can be had for cheapz on ebay. Ssshh, don't tell anyone else. I'm stockpiling them

ChetMagongalo wrote:It really doesn't do any of the fancy things the VMSD does, but that's why I like it. I'm not sure what you mean by bulky, it's not a small pedal but it's definitely not big either. If you like the sound of the VMSD you'll like the sound of the tape delay. I'm not sure I understand what you mean in the last sentence, the tape delay is definitely not analog

What I meant was: The tape delay may leave me wanting another delay that can do a few of those fancy digital delay thingies, but it won't leave much room for a second digital delay. Literally, which is why I called it bulky. But also in terms of price tag and all. I know the tape delay isn't analog, but I refered to it as analog 'cause it would cover the 'analog' part of my delay duo.

Not writing it off yet though, but I'm kinda leaning more towards a cheapish DL8 or DD7, with the option of maybe adding a carbon copy or memory toy later on.

I've gone through a few delays (for keyboards) and I have to say the Echo Park is something I will always have at least one of. The swell and reverse modes are sooo good. For regular delay stuff I've been using the Flashback which, to me, is better than the current Boss delays. It's very versatile and sounds really smooth always. I don't care much for TC's whole marketing feel but then again I don't care much. There's an Echolution 2 Deluxe literally in my mailbox right now so that will probably be the next jam.

Also, Dispatch Master.

Meta- wrote:I've gone through a few delays (for keyboards) and I have to say the Echo Park is something I will always have at least one of. The swell and reverse modes are sooo good. For regular delay stuff I've been using the Flashback which, to me, is better than the current Boss delays. It's very versatile and sounds really smooth always. I don't care much for TC's whole marketing feel but then again I don't care much. There's an Echolution 2 Deluxe literally in my mailbox right now so that will probably be the next jam.

Also, Dispatch Master.

I'm back! From holiday that is, and believe it or not, there wasn't any interwebz

As for what the echo park and flashback suggestions go...I hate to admit this, but I'm sorta picky when it comes to certain brands. Line 6 kinda fucked me over with the lousy build quality of the DL-4 I used to have. I do care about TC Electronic's marketing feel. I wish I didn't, really, but I'm an idiot when it comes to stuff like that. I'm quickly and radically put off by a brand when I read one too many bad reviews and/or catch bad vibes from their customer support or marketing strategies or general pedlol philosophy. On the meh list so for: TC Electronics, Line 6, Devi Ever, Klon Centaur. I'm probably forgetting a couple, but what's most important: There's a ton of brands I haven't ruled out yet:)

I'm now basically set on a hardwire RV-7 + Empress Tape delay. Something else to temporarily cover the analog sounds might do as well though, depends on what happens to be available. Carbon Copy, Ibanez ES-2, Memory Boy...It'll take some testing till I bite that bullet.

Dispatch Master: Always been intrueged by that one, and EQD is one of those brands that happens to be on my good side:)
But I'm kinda thinking the dispatch master might do a little of both (delay+verb), but that maybe it can't really compete with a 'true' delay pedal and a seperate reverb pedal. As a delay, it's limited in terms of modulation and other tricks, and it doesn't really mimmick any tape/analog sounds. And as a reverb it also doesn't have any plate/hall/etc modes to mess with.

Echolution is the shit. Way way out of my league though, overkill in every possible way:s

Also, don't think I already mensioned this: Tap tempo would be great, but it's not at all a deal breaker for me.

The ILFDD is likely to be the ideal happy medium/compliment to your Super Delay.
And I'm not just saying that because mine is currently listed in the B/S/T
The footswitchable modulation and momentary oscillation footswitches are done to perfection.
My only issue with it...is it isn't a DMM

I'd also recommend you (or anyone) to check out the DMB Lunar Echo.

frigid midget wrote: On the meh list so for: Devi Ever

Even after Aen took over?

UglyCasanova wrote:

frigid midget wrote: On the meh list so for: Devi Ever

Even after Aen took over?

Wot? Must've missed that memo I don't care much for the drama or politics of the boutique pedal scene, but untill a while ago it was hard NOT to see DE fall apart live on the internet:s
Not taking sides or pointing fingers there btw, it's just that at some point I decided I'd rather do business with other builders, for obvious reasons. Or maybe not so obvious, but like I said, I'm maybe a bit weird when it comes to my pedal brand preference/prejudice

I only know Aen from his dwarcraft pedals and his weird pedal demos on yootoob, and if he's the one pulling the strings at DE, than I suppose DE pedals are back OFF the meh list

That reminds me, why the f*ck do I still no own a baby thunda?!

@Rustywire...

Had to google the ILFDD, and can't find much about it except that it's some sort of hot rodded version of the Dr Scientist Sunny Day Delay. Which already tickles my fancy. A bit more than what I was looking to spend though, plus the shipping cost might ruin the deal for me, me being in Europe and all...

Still, out of curiousity: What are the controls for, the nice grapics don't seem to leave much room for any proper labeling...? Same as the standard SDD, BUT with two controls to set the modulation level and rate or something? Or one control for the osscilation perhaps? Feel free to drop me a PM if you don't mind shipping overseas and if you happen to know of a cheapish way to get the pedal over here. Thanks!

Yes indeed. It's a customized SDD v2...essentially based on the Donny Day Delay.
Top 2 knobs are for the modulation: Depth & Speed
Bottom 3 are Time, Repeats, Blend

The oscillation's ramping is determined by the delay Time. IMO Its behavior is much preferred to the EAR AD4096.

Here's the original ILFDD thread: viewtopic.php?f=146&t=35846

Still interested? We can negotiate international post options...I'm not opposed to shipping overseas if it means keeping the delay around this forum, and used by an active member.

frigid midget wrote:@Rustywire...

Had to google the ILFDD, and can't find much about it except that it's some sort of hot rodded version of the Dr Scientist Sunny Day Delay. Which already tickles my fancy. A bit more than what I was looking to spend though, plus the shipping cost might ruin the deal for me, me being in Europe and all...

Still, out of curiousity: What are the controls for, the nice grapics don't seem to leave much room for any proper labeling...? Same as the standard SDD, BUT with two controls to set the modulation level and rate or something? Or one control for the osscilation perhaps? Feel free to drop me a PM if you don't mind shipping overseas and if you happen to know of a cheapish way to get the pedal over here. Thanks!

Dude, it's a freaking awesome delay. Probably my favourite, and it's really inspiring, in that it makes you just want to jam. It's got a really special character - if you don't like it your kinda boned cos haha yeah, it's all over the pedal. But it's rad. It's a PT2399 delay that can do up to 1 second of delay. PT chips are clean to around 300ms, "grainy" or "analog" up to around 600ms, and noisy and kinda pathetic from 600 upwards. And all of that noise, as the poor little PT chip struggles to keep up, is just awesome. The loss of bandwidth as the chip fails to keep up gives the repeats a really natural degradation and a great darkness that just sits perfectly in the mix. I don't normally use longer delay times, but I generally keep my ILFDD over 600ms just to get into that zone of the chip crapping out because it is so good. Modulation can be subtle or wacky. The oscillation has an internal trim pot to control how fast it rises, if I remember correctly. In any case, you are not necessarily just blasted with noise - you can ride the oscillation function to get some cool swelling effects and layering.

Damn...

How am I supposed to say no with a sales pitch like that?

Seriously though, it seems like most of what you're describing should be doable with the regular Sunny Day delay, no? I don't know if I'll use the extra switches for the modulation and the osscilation all that. I mean, I might, like maybe when the modulation is dialed into something extreme/weird, so I can zap it in and out the normal delay...If that makes any sense at all. Don't suppose there's any clips out there, other than what I can find on youtube? Didn't read the entire thread btw, don't know if I maybe missed any clips there? Particularly something that demonstrates the extras it over the standard sunny day delay would be nice...

This, plus your average bread and butter DD-7/DL-8 digital delay should be able to cover most -if not all- my delay needs. I'll sleep on it, thanks for the input.

As someone who also owns an ILFDD, it's the shit. foot-switchable modulation is awesome, you can keep the delay tame and then just make it whacky with one switch, awesome for live use. It sounds and sits so much better in the mix than the DD-7 I used to own. This is kind of dependent on use though, if you want clean repeats to match a rhythm, the DD7 may be better. If you want some thick ambiance, then the ILF DD is definitely worth the price (it can also do cleaner rhythmic stuff at shorter delay times, not quite as good as the DD-7 though).

And the oscillation swell is perfect, just perfect, that's all that needs to be said. It's better than any other delay I've used or heard at that.

Truth.
I like all the boss dd series though.
ILFDD has got longer delay time than the sdd, but it's the same core delay.
You can hear it In one of the demos in my sig. BitQuest maybe. Can't remember. If I get time I'll do an ILFDD demo. Not sure if I will have time so no promises!

The more I read and hear about it, the more it seems like the ILFDD is designed specifically for me. Checked all the clips I could find, sounds nothing short of impressive. The ILF exclusiveness, the rarity factor, and the fact that it's made by one of my favorite builders, for my favorite forum...That just makes it so much harder to resist:s

BUT...I've got to remind myself that I can't afford to let GAS take the better hand of me, and that I'll probably be more than okay with "just" a DD-7. I'm actually pretty sure it'll also sound decent enough for whatever few people I'll ever get to play for, including myself. But mostly, it won't come in the way of paying the bills, feeding my kids, etc:s

Even an empress tape delay would be slightly cheaper, as well as a number of other really nice delay pedals. So bang for the buck whise, it looks like it makes more sense to go that route. Don't mean to sound like I'm justifying/apologising, just want to make clear why dispite everything I'll probably have to pass up on the ILFDD, even if it's with mixed emotions