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jwar wrote:I disagree with the drink water in place of everything.

jwar wrote:I drink water like it's going out of style

jfrey wrote:

jwar wrote:I disagree with the drink water in place of everything.

jwar wrote:I drink water like it's going out of style

Why the confusion? I drink a lot of liquids. Not all are water. That's what I meant.

its pee. He's talking about pee.

Well I mean, why disagree? If you're trying to lose weight, drinking water instead of other beverages - soda, juice, etc. - will definitely help. Some other drinks are good in small amounts or without additives, but why bother when you have to manage them?

jfrey wrote:Well I mean, why disagree? If you're trying to lose weight, drinking water instead of other beverages - soda, juice, etc. - will definitely help. Some other drinks are good in small amounts or without additives, but why bother when you have to manage them?

I'm not understanding what you're meaning obviously. What do you mean you have to manage them? Like monitor how much you consume? I personally drink coffee and water. That's it. I think coffee has very good benefits. Sometimes, I'll add some almond milk or lactaid plus a stevia in there. The caloric intake from that is so low that it does not affect my macros. So I continue to lose even if I have it.

I mean you can overdo anything sure, but that's part of the challenge. Learning how to NOT overdo things.

I'm also not a fan of running. Want to have that conversation now?

I just don't get that way of thinking I guess. I'm not a person with middle-grounds.

If a person wants to lose weight for example some people might say 'have a day once a month where you can eat sweets' or something like that. Whereas I would say 'decide that you don't like the taste of sweets.'

The one cheat day a month might not affect your goal at all, but I think it's better to just organize your mind in such a way that it's an idea that is simply unneeded. The idea of overdoing things or not becomes irrelevant.

Definitely going to consult this thread often. I just quit smoking for like the 4th time and after playing some soccer I realize I want to be in better shape. Last summer I was almost at 200 lbs and then stopped eating meat and now I'm around 180. Didn't really make any other lifestyle choices either, just no more meat and I dropped weight like crazy. Now I want to get a little bit more fit and realize I need to step it up as far as my protein intake goes and have a workout plan.

I've got a cardio plan. I just need a good set of at home exercises I can do (I'm not opposed to getting some weights) on a weekly basis that will help me tighten things up. I'm not really looking to get bulky, just less soft

jfrey wrote:I just don't get that way of thinking I guess. I'm not a person with middle-grounds.

If a person wants to lose weight for example some people might say 'have a day once a month where you can eat sweets' or something like that. Whereas I would say 'decide that you don't like the taste of sweets.'

The one cheat day a month might not affect your goal at all, but I think it's better to just organize your mind in such a way that it's an idea that is simply unneeded. The idea of overdoing things or not becomes irrelevant.

As I explained earlier in this thread, most people who need to lose weight are not built like that. Most people who need to lose weight have willpower problems. If you just say "stop eating anything sweet", they'll try, then fail/cheat, then quit and they will have accomplished nothing except getting discouraged and losing confidence. It's typically better to moderate intake of things like that until you build up confidence and willpower. Just decreasing the amount of sweets/snacks/ unhealthy things should be enough to start losing some weight, which will build confidence and reinforce your willpower.

You seem to have a an extremely logical and unemotional view of the mind, which I'm not saying is bad, but I'm not sure that most people are capable of that sort of detached control over their cravings. A lot of people with weight problems have emotional/psychological barriers that need to be dealt with just as importantly as the physiological.

Decided to give up beer, a couple weeks ago. Was feeling fat and bloated and gross, because I generally drink at least a couple beers everyday. As soon as I stopped I started losing weight, Lost about 8 lbs so far.

Another cool effect of this is is that my appetite has also decreased; maybe since my stomach isn't as beer-stretched?

oh and in support of bigchief's view, I told myself I could cheat every now and again, and just telling myself that was relieving; even when opportunities to cheat come up, I say "not right now, I can cheat a different time if I really want to"

Every time I read this thread title I either read it like the Technologic voice or the Fitter Happier voice.

jfrey wrote:I just don't get that way of thinking I guess. I'm not a person with middle-grounds.

If a person wants to lose weight for example some people might say 'have a day once a month where you can eat sweets' or something like that. Whereas I would say 'decide that you don't like the taste of sweets.'

The one cheat day a month might not affect your goal at all, but I think it's better to just organize your mind in such a way that it's an idea that is simply unneeded. The idea of overdoing things or not becomes irrelevant.

Ok. Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I'm going to state some things as I work in the fitness industry and have studied nutrition and it's effects on the body for 10+ years (actually I was working on a degree for it).

Cheat days are ok if they are done correctly. A cheat day does not have to be an actual day. There are diets called carb cycling and this works very, very effectively. It's a little bit more in depth than what the OP is probably looking to achieve, but you can re-feed your body with what would be considered a "cheat meal" every week and this will actually boost your metabolism and increase your fat loss, while you retain all your muscle mass.

Coffee is a diuretic, but if you drink a gallon to two gallons of water a day (like I do), it does not matter if you have coffee with stevia in it. Your body will chew that shit up and spit it out so fast that it will have no effect. I agree with giving up soda, but sometimes just cutting it down gradually is enough.


The key here is that 99% of people cannot just cold turkey give up everything. I know this for a fact as I've worked with a LOT of people as a personal trainer. It's hard as hell sometimes and shit has to be baby stepped. For a guy like me, I can just change, no issues. I have severe OCD though and am able to hone it into good things sometimes.


Also one the "decide you don't like sweets", that does not make sense for most people. It's not a light switch in your brain you can just shut off. You can decide not to eat sweet, doesn't mean you won't crave them or think about them. Everyone has a vice of some kind. I like pizza. It's fucking killing me not to eat pizza but I know it's not good for me, so I don't, but I still think about the shit. I still like the smell. It's not going to get me swole as a motherfucker though.

All I'm saying is everyone is different and not all things work the same for all people.