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Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:47 am
by Gopherbassist
Enoch-Fox wrote:Well, according to this definition (and certain thought processes), we'd all be female. X3
Certain parts of all of us are female, and certain parts of all of us are male.
devi ever wrote:I think he may be talking about in relation to guitar gear / electrical equipment.

All things, actually.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:04 pm
by Blurillaz
I don't really care if my friends are a boy or girl, it doesn't matter. (unless you're trying to have a kid.)
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:27 pm
by TheAttackman
what bugs me is that the lead singer of my band is a girl.. and we never get the same level of respect as other bands... and thats consistant... even if people dont think about it... they can still act like dicks to us....
but hey... if you support women in music...
http://www.sterlingheart.net
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:15 am
by TheAttackman
I'll try to post em in this forum...
Can't u just feel the need for a mangler in there??
Haha
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:43 am
by effetebomb
OK, so I was just going to steer clear of this thread, because i thought my feelings had been pretty well laid out by others already, but a HC thread has me changing my mind. I'll post the link after I say a few things about gender roles in my family.
My family is basically 180 from what would have been a stable 1950s norm.
-My wife is a union carpenter, who builds huge commercial structures. I am a stay at home dad with aspirations of finishing college and becoming a teacher of japanese. I cook, clean (kind of), shop, change diapers and raise kids. She makes the $, and works hard doing it.
-She plays soccer (a largely unisex sport, but I don't play any). She hikes and likes to exercise. I don't.
-She likes cars, and I could care less.
-She was in the band we are now both in for years before I came in to fill in for the drummer that left. She probably has double the stage experience that I do.
Basically, as far as I can tell, traditional gender roles are almost meaningless in my family.
Now, if you can stomach some pretty extreme idiocy and sexism you should read this, WTF?!!?!?!?!
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/for ... ?t=2260155I don't have an account there and don't really want one, but nobody has told these guys off? uuuggghhhhhh
On a related note, I think Captain Ahab are doing some of the best gender subversive music right now. Two fairly rich straight white dudes from LA make music that really pushing some gender issues to the extreme. Amazing live.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:18 pm
by Brettski
Enoch-Fox wrote:Brettski wrote:I DO feel that, personally, I'm faking something. I have a cool job, a great girl, and I'm generally true to myself and stick to my guns. I'm satisfied materially, but something's missing. Some would call this a spiritual issue, but given my deeply rooted contempt for religion, that one's not clearing up very soon.
I think the problem is that I'm not supposed to wake up to a blaring alarm clock, polish myself, go perform a task that is not directly related to my survival for the majority of my waking hours, only to have someone tell me that I owe them some of the fiat currency I earn from said activity, and the list just goes on and on. Why do we submit to this? For one, we're TOLD to. Everywhere you look, you're being told how to be, think, act.
I think this is a big reason for the tremendous amount of mental instability we're experiencing as a nation.

I can get behind that. Although I think it's less to do with male/female and more to do with all these social constructs essentially being B.S. to begin with. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to the primal part of anyone's brain that they should go sit at a desk, then forfeit a big chunk of their reward to a government who isn't visibly doing much of anything to earn it. But I think a woman sitting in a suburban house her whole life caring for kids is gonna be deeply dissastisfied with that as well, on a primal level. Religion has spun everything to tell us that we are NOT animals, that we have NO animal instincts, and that as humans, having those thoughts and feelings is wrong... I think the problem is as a species, we're unwilling to admit that we're animals; really smart animals, but animals nonetheless. The fact that we are ABLE to defy our biological hard-wiring is what seperates us. I know you aren't saying anybody SHOULD do anything. But this hard-wiring argument is often used (often in appeals to a "higher power") to that end, while at the same time we're told to DENY our hard-wiring in other places... so yeah, a lot of tension between the hardware and the software.
Although I still think those instincts are, at heart, vestigial. By that I don't mean trivial or stupid or imaginary or anything like that. They're real instincts, but, I mean, hunting instincts serve no purpose in a world where to get food I drive to Taco Bell and ask the clerk nicely. Hardwired? Sure. Deeply, even Irremovably ingrained? Maybe. But do they serve a purpose? We've been born with appendices for generation after generation, but all the organ does is get us killed.
Just a note about the last thing... Yeah, I care about everyone's overall well-being too... society is what happens when a lot of people get together and don't think for themselves. There's this experiment that was performed... Stanford I wanna say? where they put people in a room, and show them four straws, and ask them to pick the longest one. When they're seperated, pretty much everyone gets it right... but all they have to do is put everyone in the same room and plant one guy who very loudly picks the wrong answer, and a huge percentage go with him. They stop thinking and start group-thinking. So yeah, I could give a fuck what society thinks too... as long as the people around me refuse to let that construct do the thinking for them.
I think you and I agree on a lot more than we disagree on. You make great points and state them eloquently, double plus good.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:23 pm
by Enoch-Fox
Heh, you too. It's awesome how generally thoughtful/insightful the posts on these boards are... I mean coming from the wasteland that is any other guitar-related forum on the internet, especially
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:50 pm
by Ghost Hip
effetebomb wrote:Now, if you can stomach some pretty extreme idiocy and sexism you should read this, WTF?!!?!?!?!
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/for ... ?t=2260155I don't have an account there and don't really want one, but nobody has told these guys off? uuuggghhhhhh
They probably never get any sex., and the best way to make up for it is to brag on a forum about how some drunk chick flashed her boobs to get a t-shirt. Tis lame, I'll go post "you're tools" or something like that for ya.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:36 am
by Enoch-Fox
I have learned from experience that the best way to troll someone like that is to just reply to their entire post and add "HUH?"
that, or if they're being pretty serious, a simple "lol".
The simple pleasures of life with technology.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:23 am
by Ghost Hip
haha true. Striking up some controversy really brings a thread alive though.

Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:29 am
by Gunner Recall
I think people responded properly. Best way to defeat internet trolls is to simply ignore them.
They get off on people responding, even if they don't agree. Plus, You can never win an argument on the internet.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:37 am
by Ghost Hip
morningstaru wrote:I think people responded properly. Best way to defeat internet trolls is to simply ignore them.
They get off on people responding, even if they don't agree. Plus, You can never win an argument on the internet.
It never hurts to let them know not everyone feels the same way though. but maybe I'm too optimistic.

Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:08 pm
by TweedBassman
i only quickly read the replies, my apologies... but i had a great conversation today that made me think of this thread.
i was having lunch with my son (3 years old) and my daughter (4 1/2). out of nowhere my son says:
"Penny, are you a boy, or a girl?"
she says, "I'm a girl, silly."
then he says, "Am I a boy, or a girl?"
she says, "you are a boy. like daddy."
then the most amazing thing happened. my son asks me, "Daddy, is the whole earth a boy, or a girl?"
and i say, "i don't know... Penny, what do you think?"
"well, daddy... the whole earth is half a boy and half a girl."
pretty damn deep. think about it.
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:21 pm
by jrmy
You've got some pretty smart kids there. I hope my son is as articulate at 4 & 1/2!
Re: What does gender mean to you?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:36 am
by WaveForm3
Leave it up to kids, huh?
Smart kids.