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sylnau wrote:

Chankgeez wrote:Syl, Joe Morris plays guitar as if it's a saxophone.

May as well start learning sax solos.

Yep... I like that type of guitar playing a lot.
Like Marc Ribot when he is playing Albert Ayler stuff.

So, then like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-iaw3D3Xs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3WE8i95oFs[/youtube]

am i the only one who thinks that you shouldn't learn solos and develop other player's tendencies but just play whatever notes you want without the mechanical influence of knowing solos?

stripes wrote:am i the only one who thinks that you shouldn't learn solos and develop other player's tendencies but just play whatever notes you want without the mechanical influence of knowing solos?

No, actually. I agree with you to a point. But say you have developed a style that is uniquely your own; at some point, you're liable to hit a wall, and in so doing, you're stuck in a rut. A good way to get out of it is to learn a few tricks from players whose work you respect/enjoy. I mean sure, as a child. I enjoyed playing along with my favorite albums and such. And it certainly helped me become fluent. But despite all that "skill building", my own work sounded like me. And it still does

blooghost wrote:

stripes wrote:am i the only one who thinks that you shouldn't learn solos and develop other player's tendencies but just play whatever notes you want without the mechanical influence of knowing solos?

No, actually. I agree with you to a point. But say you have developed a style that is uniquely your own; at some point, you're liable to hit a wall, and in so doing, you're stuck in a rut. A good way to get out of it is to learn a few tricks from players whose work you respect/enjoy. I mean sure, as a child. I enjoyed playing along with my favorite albums and such. And it certainly helped me become fluent. But despite all that "skill building", my own work sounded like me. And it still does

+1 Learning other people's styles can open doors you didn't even know existed.

Yeah, I need to learn more from other players yet to develop my own style. Hence the "inb4" in the original message. I still have a long way to go with learning to play guitar, and I don't get people who say "I just play / fool around and I figure it all out myself with no resources / books / learning from other players" but that's just how I am.

Also, my kinda zen feeling about it is that we are all on the same journey, we are just taking separate paths, and for me personally, this journey is going to last a lifetime of learning and improvement.

i definitely agree with drawing inspiration from other players when you're feeling blocked, and I think that should always be an ongoing thing as well. playing along to records you like, and playing with other musicians is really beneficial. i just don't think that learning solos note for note is going to do anything for your creativity, and i think that's the most important thing, really. it will make you a better guitar player technically, i guess, but i don't value technical skills higher than innovation. i think other people agree with me, too

i don't know
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbONRHjtKb8[/youtube]

2:30 The notes are pretty simple, but I feel like experimenting and trying to replicate the other sounds could be inspiring and possibly lead to learning new techniques.

a) anything Gilmour, really

b) Incubus' Sick Sad Little World, amazing song, amazing solo also... basically most of their solos/songs from S.C.I.E.N.C.E/Morning View/A Crow Left.../Make Yourself era

c) improvise a lot, listen to tricks and licks and learn them - easier than learning a whole solo and it helps you focusing on incorporating them into your playing

Well just find the stuff you like and pick out the most memorable parts of the solo...improvise the rest. Alot of newer players stare at tabs for hours, but the trick is to use your ears to get the timing, bends and other subtleties. Even if your improvisation sounds wrong push through until it starts to sound better...play, listen, play, listen, play....etc. That way you avoid getting that stale I'mjusttryingtoplaylikehalenbutIdon'thavethechopsyet syndrome. And of course put some effort into learning how to pick out keys to play in and memorize some appropriate scales....

This solo is so much fun to play.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4Sx5qYwNw[/youtube]

At 0:59 in:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slu5hiDxxdg[/youtube]

lapsteel wrote:Well just find the stuff you like and pick out the most memorable parts of the solo...improvise the rest. Alot of newer players stare at tabs for hours, but the trick is to use your ears to get the timing, bends and other subtleties. Even if your improvisation sounds wrong push through until it starts to sound better...play, listen, play, listen, play....etc. That way you avoid getting that stale I'mjusttryingtoplaylikehalenbutIdon'thavethechopsyet syndrome. And of course put some effort into learning how to pick out keys to play in and memorize some appropriate scales....

This is essentially what I'm after -- I should've said that i"m not looking for solos to learn note-for-note by tab (most online tabs are at least a little wrong anyways)..

It's about playing the song a couple times in a row, listening (really listening) to it, picking out how they're using the scales, then trying to get the same bends and hammer-ons/pull-offs as the song is using, or the phrases that stick out.. not trying to learn a whole perfect solo.

Basically the learn "learn from the masters" approach since I don't take lessons and rarely play with other musicians.. I've gotta learn from somewhere. I said it before, but I don't really believe the people who say they just picked up guitars and understood all the scale shapes, modes, where to bend, how to phrase solos, etc without ever taking a class or looking in a book. That or I don't have the ears to pick it up purely from listening and monkeying with the guitar -- even though monkeying with the guitar is a large part of what I do, I could never get get near pulling off a "solo" until I did all the work to memorize some pentatonic shapes, read about where people put bends and hammer-ons/pull-offs, learned that the root notes are important, and such.. Then I spent quality time with the metronome going up and down the neck with each scale position to try and bring my accuracy and speed up.. and here I am today..

And to continue on my little rant, another reason why online tabs SUCK is that you'll rarely find they say "here he's soloing in the 4th position pentatonic in A minor," (jazz scores seems to be way more like this), but the tabs will just be a bunch of notes up by the 12th fret and you kinda have to imagine what scale shape fits there. Would much rather just puzzle that stuff out myself than memorize a tab file.

Most dead meadow solos are in A or F.

Go!

D.o.S. wrote:Most dead meadow solos are in A or F.

Go!

And full of fuzz/wah awesome

stripes wrote:am i the only one who thinks that you shouldn't learn solos and develop other player's tendencies but just play whatever notes you want without the mechanical influence of knowing solos?

Sun Ra would/does depending on your concept of time.

And Captain Beefheart.


Matty-ass, you should learn Baby's on Fire by Eno, or anything by Dinosaur Jr.