Which Devi?

[fiddelerselbow]

I can vouch for the shoegazer, it's pretty much been the meat and potatoes of my guitar sound for a while. It can get pretty crazy when you engage both fuzzes too, not sure if it's got all the bottom end your looking for though

[Bassus Sanguinis]

In indie/textural-ambient there's little room for fuzz

Why not? Ambient just means lots of delay.

Textures, man, can't afford overlooking the textures in my opinion when doing ambient soundscapes. Otherwise it's juts ...plain spatial sound of a still picture. With more grain to texture it comes alive. And there's NOTHING that can do textures to Your tone like fuzz.

But my viewpoint is of course biased coming from someone who's more than happy with one delay pedal (and occasionally an extra rack unit) - but wants ten noisy as fuck fuzz boxes. So...

[julius_deane]

Yeah, what Bassus said. That's what I meant.
I realize I'm derailing things, but I'd really like to know where you got this idea.
My thought is that it's hard to do ambient with clean guitars because the notes are too defined. Fuzz doesn't have to mean loud.
I dunno.
Not sure why I feel drawn to fight this (nonexistent) fight.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

Yeah, what Bassus said. That's what I meant.
I realize I'm derailing things, but I'd really like to know where you got this idea.
My thought is that it's hard to do ambient with clean guitars because the notes are too defined. Fuzz doesn't have to mean loud.
I dunno.
Not sure why I feel drawn to fight this (nonexistent) fight.

um, not, not a fight. Sharing and argumenting opinions and hints of how other people do things and see them.

I wanted to simply bring to attention that some people see just the other way around the usefulness and the importance of some tools.

[Ghost Hip]

Fuzz doesn't have to mean loud.

This is a very good point. Ambient music can be done with a lot of delays/verbs and modulation, but a guitarist in a band can sound just as ambient with fuzz and the right chords/notes. Just another way of doing obscuring things is all.

[julius_deane]

I meant "fight" in the minor-est of terms.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

I meant "fight" in the minor-est of terms.

it's too late now

[Officer Bukowski]

War were declared.

[Gearmond]

Fuzz doesn't have to mean loud.

This is a very good point. Ambient music can be done with a lot of delays/verbs and modulation, but a guitarist in a band can sound just as ambient with fuzz and the right chords/notes. Just another way of doing obscuring things is all.

yeah, just like how you can sound REALLY heavy with chorus and flanger.

at least i can. i mean its possible.

[Godspeed64]

Yeah, what Bassus said. That's what I meant.
I realize I'm derailing things, but I'd really like to know where you got this idea.
My thought is that it's hard to do ambient with clean guitars because the notes are too defined. Fuzz doesn't have to mean loud.
I dunno.
Not sure why I feel drawn to fight this (nonexistent) fight.

Of course in indie/ambient-textural there is room for fuzz but in my band's music there is very little room for that. More of heavy delays and reverbs and the occasional fluffy indie sound.

All I'm saying is that in my music there's little room for that. In All honesty I am a huge fuzz head and would love to have several fuzzes (which is I do have on hand just not on the board) but it doesn't make sense for me to bring around pedals that don't fit in the band!

No harm dudes it isn't even a viewpoint but how the band sounds like and I know my limits!

[julius_deane]

I'm still mad, but I think that's more because of singleness/debtness/living-in-basetmentness, not fuzzness.