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Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:30 pm
by bigchiefbc
behndy wrote:yeah. i used to not have a problem with di'ing out the balanced output of my Rusty Box until i brought a wireless and listened from the crowd area in a part with loads of fuzz. BLEGH. i'm going to bring my Shure Beta52 with me..... actually, y'all know your shit, i love the Beta52 at home and how it sounds recorded at practice, it SEEMS to get a really tight focus on just my cab with little to no bleed through from the drums in our small rehearsal space...... is there a better mic to buy and bring? i use a buncha fuzz and some octavers and filtery stuff (duh) on a 6'er. murrrrrrrrr?


I've played with Beta 52's before, and although it does have a real tight bottom to it, I never like the mid-scoop. I'm running an AKG P2 right now, which has a pretty damn flat freq response for similar moneyz. Maybe not quite as much chest thump as the Shure, but I'd much rather have my precious mids back.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:51 pm
by behndy
innnnnnnteresssssssstinnnnnnnnng. i might pick one up for the comparisons. thanks homie!

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:09 pm
by Gozu
Hate hate hate DI's but up here its all the fucking do... the place in town with the best audience/pay doesn't even let you use your own amp... they totally fuck with it.... they even DI the guitars... its horrible

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:15 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
They DI the GUITARS??? Why does anyone even go to the shows there? ew. One of the many nice things about function band gigs is being able to use whatever equipment you like. I really want to start an originals band, but I don't want to deal with the hassle of playing in crappy places that force you to do stuff like that.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 am
by Gozu
Because you get a great audience, good pay, discount on drinks and a good laugh (its like a modernized biker bar at the docks). it is a great place to play but they are SO unwilling to compramise.... i don't want this to come of as shit slinging for anyone familiar with it or intending to because i do love the place but

Backline

Bands are urged to contact me in advance in order to discuss the rest of their backline requirements, OTHERWISE THE FOLLOWING DEFAULTS WILL APPLY:

Bands are expected to use the house engineer, basic drum kit, Marshall 4x12" angle cabs which are hard wired through Marshall Powerbrakes, and the Ampeg bass amp head and 4x10" cab. If there is a reason for using your own bass head, then please contact me to discuss this in advance of the gig. Please contact me, no later than 1 week in advance, should any of this present a problem.

Swapping elements of the backline between performances reduces the actual time available for performing.


Drums

The house kit is maintained in good working order, regularily treated to new skins, and benefits from a weekly tune up. Every gig we further refine how the house it's sound is processed through our PA so we tend to get a better sound from the house kit. It is a 5 piece, but can be reduced to whatever size is requried. We have a selection of 10", 12", 14", and 16" toms. Most hardware is a mixture of Pearl and Tama.

The house drumkit includes stool, double kick pedal, snare, cymbals, hats... pretty much everything. You are welcome to use all those components. Most drummers take along their own hats, cymbals and additional cymbals (+stands). We reserve the right to veto the use of any hats/cymbals that are cracked, worn out, or of exceptionally poor quality. We anticipate that most drummers will want to take along their own snare drum.


Bass

The bass is direct injected into the mixing desk and where possible blended with a feed from the AKG D112 bass cab mic. This house amp is an Ampeg SVT2Pro which is 400W with with a 4x10"cab. It sports both valve preamp and output stages. Bass can also be heard and felt through the floor of the stage as this is sited over the FOH bass bins. The bass sound will also be directed through the sub woofer of the drum monitor since the drummer is sighted slightly behind the bass amp. This also helps transmit bass to the far side of the stage.


Guitars

The house has three Marshall Powerbrakes which are utilised to drive the valves at the appropriate level whilst keeping the volume under control.

Each speaker cab is mic'd up in order to drive the sound to the rear of the room via the PA system. The PA offers perfect sound reproduction.

We will not entertain the use of a malfunctioning amp or speaker. Our goal is to provide optimum sound quality regardless of badge engineering/brand/product placement considerations. We get the blame when it doesn't sound right, so we must insist that everything works!

The guitars are routed through all monitors.

The house has two Marshall 4x12" angle cabs, a Marshall DSL 100W valve head (2 channels), an Engel Powerball 100W valve head (4 channels), a Hiwatt 100W valve head (2 channels plus blended channel), a Mesa Boogie V-Twin valve preamp pedal, and an emergency Marshall 1x12" 100W Combo.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:52 am
by behndy
huh. what if it's a band with a non-traditional configuration? i don't like being di'd, but if the club's going to insist on it and that's how they run their system, after a few tries it's not worth it. they DO let you run the DI post-effects though right?

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:19 am
by coldbrightsunlight
Oh, that doesn't really sound that bad. You can understand them wanting to keep the hassle down and use gear they know is legit.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:09 pm
by behndy
it's not my preference, but if they know what they're doing i won't try to fight about the DI. lol. and i dig that they're trying to keep setup time down. but SOMEtimes.......

we played a place one time where the sound guy came up with a DI, handed it to me and started to walk away. i stopped him and told him i have a di at the end of my chain, but could you mime me instead. he kinda acted like he didn't have time to talk to me and said "just plug your bass into that". i told him i needed to go POST efx if you're going to run me through house, he said, "just plug. your bass. into that." and told me i was doing it wrong when i started to put his DI at the end of my chain.

'cause, it's GREAT when you're the only stringed instrument in a heavy part and the fuzz and filter and shit is only playing through stage monitors.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:19 pm
by Deltaphoenix
I would have made a fucking scene about that. SOundguys do have a bit of "power" but I wouldn't let one treat me like a trained monkey. I mean their job is to make the sound as good as possible for the venue AND for the band. I have played places with crappy monitors, I have battled through gigs, it happens, that is why we practice as a band but FUCK THAT! I at least want the audience to hear the music how it is intended.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:33 pm
by behndy
yahp. he was doing the thing where he wouldn't look at me when talking because he was TOOOOO BUSYYYYYY. i kept moving into his line of sight and was like, "homie, i know you're working your ass off, but we're a three piece. with ONE vocal mic. i need you to mic my cab or take a di POST. EFFECTS." and just kept repeating that. after three times he "gave in".

i'm mellow. i always try to go and learn the sound guy/grrL's name and buy them a beer or drink. learn their name. treat them like people that have an important job. they ARE doing something i suck at, and it's their spot, and most of them are very cool and open if you treat them like a person. lol, i'm horrible at big-timing people anyways. i always want to offer to help if they're moving loads of cable or something and i'm already setup. they're just some of them that maybe they always deal with douches, maybe they're just assholes. but they start with helluv attitude. and i don't do well with being talked down to or treated dismissively.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:07 pm
by bigchiefbc
Oh man, fuck that noise. If a soundguy tried to pull that shit with me, there'd be some diva shit going down. How about this, asshat, you don't tell me how to run my signal chain. Give me an XLR cable, and I'll give you a signal. Make that signal louder and feed it to the crowd. That's all you need to know. The problem is, they pull that shit because most bassists either don't give a shit, or aren't assertive enough about making sure that the crowd hears the tone you intended. It annoys me that soundguys kiss guitarists ass and then shit on bassists.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:39 pm
by behndy
lol. i think the 6 strings confuses them? or 'cause i've only gigged without guitarists lately? but i USUALLY get treated with respect. it does seem like if someone IS going to be an asshat, it's kinda coming from the "be seen and not heard" attitude towards rock bassists. very silly.

i FEEL you meng.

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:24 pm
by nad
I almost always chat up the sound dude at shows, 95% of time they are cool to me. Sounds like that dude was in the 5% poop though, gross. :omg:

Used the Markbutt Stuporblooper at a gig for the first time on Friday. Shit worked perfectly. I didn't even bother asking for a mic, I just said "I got a DI box" he said "cool" and off we went. Sounded pretty damn good, although I gotta admit, fizzy fuzz and The Clacks usually get buried in a band mix anyhow, but still, I don't like them. None of that with the filter on, it was nice.

I was also DRUNK as FUCK and overplayed EVERYTHING, which the crowd LOVED. It was AWESOME just like CAPS. :joy:

Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:27 pm
by D.o.S.
Live Sound is a goddamn headache, that's fer shure.


Get it?






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Re: Bass DIs

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:33 pm
by nad
Oh yeah I posted this before but I think it was eaten in The Great Fuzz/Loss of 2012. This is the Markbass thingy turned on and off throughout the shit, with the high cut filter halfway up when it's on:

http://www.boogeresque.com/MarkButtSuperPooper.mp3

That's just bass into fuzz into DI into board. I used one of my two basses with rounds too to try and force clicky shitty through. Man did I just fart a nasty one. Jebus this stinks.