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Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:30 am
by Astricii
V_____ wrote:I think, if my numbers are correct, this thing should have 210 sounds.

There are 5 options for the humbucker, so the bridge selector has 16 options (5+5+5+1).
The neck/mid selector has 4 options.
16x4 = 64
Those two can be combined in either series or parallel, so double that number to 128.
Then you also have the option to turn either set off, so add the 4 settings on the neck by itself and the 16 settings on the bridge but subtract one because one of the humbucker options is series out of phase which should sound the same just by itself. So, add 19 and you have 147. That's all the mono options.
Now, for stereo, you have all the same (64) options except you can't mix between the two groups, so you don't multiply by 2 cause they're always output separately. Also subtract one option for series out of phase on the humbucker again cause when the hb is by itself it isn't mixable with anything this time. So 63 stereo combinations.
147 + 63 = 210.

So...42x the output options of a regular strat?

I guess if you want to really be silly about it you can also double the number for adding in the bass cut control on every setting. That would be 420... :picard:


and at some point in all of this you'll actually play the guitar :P

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:29 am
by V_____
Astricii wrote:
V_____ wrote:I think, if my numbers are correct, this thing should have 210 sounds.

There are 5 options for the humbucker, so the bridge selector has 16 options (5+5+5+1).
The neck/mid selector has 4 options.
16x4 = 64
Those two can be combined in either series or parallel, so double that number to 128.
Then you also have the option to turn either set off, so add the 4 settings on the neck by itself and the 16 settings on the bridge but subtract one because one of the humbucker options is series out of phase which should sound the same just by itself. So, add 19 and you have 147. That's all the mono options.
Now, for stereo, you have all the same (64) options except you can't mix between the two groups, so you don't multiply by 2 cause they're always output separately. Also subtract one option for series out of phase on the humbucker again cause when the hb is by itself it isn't mixable with anything this time. So 63 stereo combinations.
147 + 63 = 210.

So...42x the output options of a regular strat?

I guess if you want to really be silly about it you can also double the number for adding in the bass cut control on every setting. That would be 420... :picard:


and at some point in all of this you'll actually play the guitar :P


Psh. Playing guitar is for losers.

By the way, I think it's finally in a finished form.

Update: Guitar now has an INPUT jack and a different pickup arrangement.

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Top jack is OUTPUT 2/SEND
Middle jack is INPUT/RETURN
Bottom jack is OUTPUT 1

So, basically what I can do now is, by pulling the top push pull (it no longer has a tone circuit) I can activate an input jack that sends whatever you want to the same point where group two's output is connected. So, basically this means you can send group two out to whatever effects you want (via the bottom push/pull and top jack) and have it come back in to be mixed in series or parallel with group one; OR you can plug whatever instrument-level audio source you want (like, say, another guitar or a synthesizer, or a microphone, etc.) in and connect that in parallel or series with the bridge group (or in parallel with everything, or parallel with group two and series with group 1, I suppose, if you don't have output 2 activated.); OR you can use a splitter or pedal with stereo outs and send back one half of the output signal from output 1 (or two) back into the guitar to be mixed with the pickups again, causing a feedback loop.

What does this mean? 42.
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Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:46 pm
by Achtane
This is insane. It reminds me of those guitars the dude in Solmania made, but prettier.

Take a gut shot next time you have the pickguard off!

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:27 pm
by V_____
Hmm...I do have a gutshot pic. Not of the most recent build but it's not too much different now. Mainly there is a different pickup arrangement now and two extra wires from the 3rd jack.

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Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:59 pm
by Bellyheart
That's so clean compared to what I thought it'd look like!

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:04 pm
by V_____
Yeah, it's pretty tidy in there. This guitar has very little self-noise, actually.

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:24 pm
by Toonster
Nice axe, great gut shots! :)

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:49 pm
by magiclawnchair
looks awesome! my buddy will put in push pulls so i can split coils, reverse phase and run in series but this is :drool:

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:02 pm
by Here Lies The Fire
I know what this thing is from the Devi Forums and let me tell you all it sounds godly.

though I don't know why it is in this sub-forum?

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:05 pm
by V_____
Ha ha fair. Well i was planning on doing a demo of it using my stereo pair of wolf computers, so that's really the reason. I'll probably be able to do that in the next couple days.

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:26 pm
by Here Lies The Fire
that is a sexy thought...

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:33 am
by Toonster
V_____ wrote:Ha ha fair. Well i was planning on doing a demo of it using my stereo pair of wolf computers, so that's really the reason. I'll probably be able to do that in the next couple days.


First we need to hear all 420 different pickup combinations ;)

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:13 pm
by V_____
Ha ha I do want to do a demo of all the pickup combinations. I am just trying to figure out how to group them. Sadly it's back down to 210 sounds with the removal of the eq switch, but you also do have that aux input so i guess it's really been bumped up to...infinite.

Re: NGD: Dear God, What Has Science Wrought?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:16 pm
by V_____
[soundcloud]http://soundcloud.com/cjmventer/v-disastercaster-demonstration-with-mochika-2-and-singing-tree-fxod[/soundcloud]

Well, I finally was able to make a (pretty messy/raw) little demo of some weirdness I played while messing around with the guitar this afternoon.

Oh, and there's mellowtone content! For this recording I used the guitar in mono mode with the input jack activated. I set up a little sequence on my Mochika 2 synthesizer and fed that into the guitar in series (well, technically in parallel with the neck group but in series with the bridge group) with all the pickups on in series and then ran the output of the guitar through my old 4 knob Singing Tree FX Overdrive and then into the "low" input of my JCM800/Hiwatt hybrid head. I believe, if I understood the builder correctly, the low input on this amp is actually more like a normal JCM800 high input and the high input adds an extra tube gain stage on top of that.

Anyway, this was about 1 o clock on the pregain on the low input in triode mode.