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HeavyXIII wrote:

odontophobia wrote:Unrelated news: Seeing Torche/Nothing/Wrong this week. Also bought tickets to see the Melvins.

Pretty good show, that Torche one was. One of the openers sounded a lot like Helmet, and the other was pure shoegaze. Torche played a wider variety of their song than I had expected. I'd heard from buddies that they had been playing mostly new material.

Yeah. Wrong is made up of a couple of dudes from Capsule. I had booked them in the past. Very good dudes. Been enjoying the Wrong EP so I'm definitely excited for the show.

fever606 wrote:Rush have no redeeming qualities.

The intro riff to Working Man is the sole exception to this rule.

Rush is like Zep for me, though. I kind of get it, but I never feel the urge to listen to them.

Yeah that sums it up.

Haha, ry! Yeah I get the impression they were all baked and playing d&d with Rush on laserdisc in the background, long before nerds now made it hip.

YYZ, though...

Iommic Pope wrote:
I know how you feel about Zep.
But even if you don't dig em, they do have some great moments.

Which, for the most part, they stole from other musicians.

Yeah, so, however a person feels about Zep, they are great at stealing.

I did leave that out, yes.
But we are discussing this in a forum where (as mentioned) about 99% of material we talk about anyway was ripped from Sabbath.
Which in turn was ripped from the blues. Although, nowhere near as blatantly.

So I figured it was a moot point in the greater scheme of things.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCjspyo-_aI[/youtube]

Are we back on point now?

If that album won't do it, we have big problems.


Thanks, Chank.

Digging the shit out of this right now

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvUZB0ft-7g[/youtube]

WHEN MOUNTAINS CRUMBLE TO THE SEA
THERE WILL STILL BE YOU AND ME

HeavyXIII wrote:They also hid a disclaimer at the bottom saying that people who donate are not entitled to a refund should they fail. Their "minor risk" is really enormous, as they're not likely to make enough money to get Gibson to even turn its head, no matter what they're actually worth. Seems like such a waste though; they ought to be able to just market the hell out of their own brand, with lower start up costs along with their incredibly limited selection of instruments and ideologies about what a good instrument is.

I actually heavily disagree with that campaign's ideology. Returning Gibson to the "good old days" would be foolish and selfish, IMO. They demonstrate great disillusionment when claiming that hand crafted instruments are by definition infinitely superior to instruments constructed partly with CNC machines. This is just wrong since the bulk of the poor quality being shipped from Gibson's factories is as a result of poor hand work and QC—at least from the way I see it. The setup, the finishes, the fret work, the marketing, the redesign choices, the price hikes, these are mostly man-made and purely business-minded.

Speaking of business-mindedness, the campaign talks about distancing the Gibson brand from business and returning it to its origins. This would be terrible. We need companies like Gibson and Fender mass producing affordable instruments as they can reach markets all over the world. You're not going to see Huber or EGC in some small shop in South Africa or the Philippines. You're going to see Gibson and Fender. These small countries can't afford to distribute such expensive and niche brands. To regress Gibson back to hand crafting would reduce production numbers astronomically, as well as raise prices even further. We have plenty of options if we want handmade instruments. Nik Huber is a perfect example. Their prices are the same as the upper tier of Gibson guitars, yet they're handmade, one at a time in a small workshop in Germany by master luthiers. Gibson's prices have reached boutique level, yet they're mass-produced with machines and offer poor quality in comparison. This does not make any sense. With each new and more advanced CNC machine and each new Pleking machine they purchase, consumers should see greater consistency, greater production levels and lower costs. Gibson are churning out more guitars, but their quality control is poor and their prices are ridiculous.

assface jackson wrote:I wouldn't have picked up the guitar if it wasn't for Zeppelin- and the Who to a lesser but still noteworthy extent. And of course SABBATH

Same. Hendrix, Zeppelin these were the bands that got me into playing guitar.

AngryGoldfish wrote:

HeavyXIII wrote:They also hid a disclaimer at the bottom saying that people who donate are not entitled to a refund should they fail. Their "minor risk" is really enormous, as they're not likely to make enough money to get Gibson to even turn its head, no matter what they're actually worth. Seems like such a waste though; they ought to be able to just market the hell out of their own brand, with lower start up costs along with their incredibly limited selection of instruments and ideologies about what a good instrument is.

I actually heavily disagree with that campaign's ideology. Returning Gibson to the "good old days" would be foolish and selfish, IMO. They demonstrate great disillusionment when claiming that hand crafted instruments are by definition infinitely superior to instruments constructed partly with CNC machines. This is just wrong since the bulk of the poor quality being shipped from Gibson's factories is as a result of poor hand work and QC—at least from the way I see it. The setup, the finishes, the fret work, the marketing, the redesign choices, the price hikes, these are mostly man-made and purely business-minded.

Speaking of business-mindedness, the campaign talks about distancing the Gibson brand from business and returning it to its origins. This would be terrible. We need companies like Gibson and Fender mass producing affordable instruments as they can reach markets all over the world. You're not going to see Huber or EGC in some small shop in South Africa or the Philippines. You're going to see Gibson and Fender. These small countries can't afford to distribute such expensive and niche brands. To regress Gibson back to hand crafting would reduce production numbers astronomically, as well as raise prices even further. We have plenty of options if we want handmade instruments. Nik Huber is a perfect example. Their prices are the same as the upper tier of Gibson guitars, yet they're handmade, one at a time in a small workshop in Germany by master luthiers. Gibson's prices have reached boutique level, yet they're mass-produced with machines and offer poor quality in comparison. This does not make any sense. With each new and more advanced CNC machine and each new Pleking machine they purchase, consumers should see greater consistency, greater production levels and lower costs. Gibson are churning out more guitars, but their quality control is poor and their prices are ridiculous.

On point. I don't care how much "better" they can make the instruments by hand, they would never be able to produce similar numbers, distribute widely or keep prices any lower. They would pretty much only succeed in lowering the number of Gibson brand guitars produced each year. Which I couldn't give less of a fuck about.

Personally, I feel the market right now is saturated with boutique, hand-made instruments, pedals, etc and many consumers are more drawn to things that aren't major brands anyway. Seems like a waste of $22m. Gibson could resolve most of this groups issues with their business themselves, but don't bother because they'll turn a decent profit either way.

All of these musical politics are killing me! We need more gear posts

Speaking of which, I recently rewired a couple of components on my joyo OCD clone (I fixed a component wiring error, specifically a reversed clipping diode), and noticed that my treble booster doesn't interact with it in the same way any more. My bandmate DID mess with my amp a bit while I was away, but it shouldn't have changed anything that much. All my pedal settings are the same as they were before I rewired the pedal.

Any ideas on other things I should look for that could be contributing to the issue?

LOCOPELAND wrote:Holy shit, how come you guys never told me how fucking blisteringly badass KEN Mode was? Picked up a couple albums last night and they've been on all day. So fucking good.

Homies. I don't understand why they can't get arrested in the U.S. They're really a killer band.