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Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:25 pm
by unownunown
ashdown wrote:what do you people think of spotify? i've been using it heavily for the last 2 or so weeks
i just got on it a few days ago. i haven't used it to explore new music yet, so i have nothing to say in that regard. however, just on the cloud based music front i think google music is better lol. the only thing it has on google music is that you don't have to wait for all your music to upload to start using it. that's fantastic. however i think when google music isn't beta anymore it might become a paid service because of all the bandwidth it sucks. if so i'd probably stick to spotify.
D.o.S. wrote:Also, I'd say
is the perfect preening teenage jerkoff emoticon.
ooh,
is definitely a good one too.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:15 pm
by Caesar
dubkitty wrote:the last time i was in one of the multiple CD stores in Santa Cruz, there were at least fifteen people there, ranging in age from teenagers to people older than me, all shopping for and in many cases purchasing CDs and/or vinyl. you may also have heard of a little website called iTunes; they've been doing some business lately. people do, in fact, buy music; it's only people with an unjustified sense of entitlement who steal the fruits of other peoples' labor and then use elaborate pseudo-intellectualizations to justify their self-indulgence. but that's OK, right? "hobby musicians" can afford all the resources it takes to make great music, can't they? anyone can hire a full orchestra, and put them in the living room! there's nothing you can get from a 40-piece choir you can't get from a sample! everybody knows a six-piece horn section as part of their cohort, and can just call them up and ask them for a favor...or get volunteers from the fans on their website. Jesus H. Christ. why should anyone other than preening teenaged jerkoffs in their bedrooms even bother to MAKE music for anyone other than themselves, if the people consuming it only care that much, and have so little respect for the people creating the work?
Dude... really... shut the fuck up. This is not the thread for your soap-box jerk-off.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:50 pm
by Mudfuzz
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwESraWEpSU[/youtube]
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:59 pm
by Caesar
This looks like a job for POWDERED TOAST MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
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Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:42 pm
by dubkitty
Caesar wrote:Dude... really... shut the fuck up. This is not the thread for your soap-box jerk-off.
1. i didn't begin the topic.
2. i'll participate in the topic as i see fit.
3. "shut up" is not a competing argument. especially when you're losing,
kthxbai.
now, in reference to veteransdaypoppy's post: the first part of your post uses statistics to make the "argument" that since people are spending less on music per capita now--when most people buy by the $.99 download--than they did in the 70s-80s--when most people bought by the $5.99-$8.99 LP/CD/cassette--artists should expect no income at all, which is both manipulative and silly. the second part is correct in the sense that record companies suck, but ignores the essential point that if the music is legitimately purchased the artist has some chance, however small, of being compensated; if you steal the artist's work, there is no chance whatsoever that the artist will be compensated.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:50 pm
by bigchiefbc
dubkitty wrote:Caesar wrote:Dude... really... shut the fuck up. This is not the thread for your soap-box jerk-off.
1. i didn't begin the topic.
2. i'll participate in the topic as i see fit.
3. "shut up" is not a competing argument. especially when you're losing,
kthxbai.
now, in reference to veteransdaypoppy's post: the first part of your post uses statistics to make the "argument" that since people are spending less on music per capita now--when most people buy by the $.99 download--than they did in the 70s-80s--when most people bought by the $5.99-$8.99 LP/CD/cassette--artists should expect no income at all, which is both manipulative and silly. the second part is correct in the sense that record companies suck, but ignores the essential point that if the music is legitimately purchased the artist has some chance, however small, of being compensated; if you steal the artist's work, there is no chance whatsoever that the artist will be compensated.
You're ignoring the fact that a lot of people (myself included) download music as an initial screening, to weed out all of the unmitigated CRAP, which is about 99.9% of music. (and yes, I do delete 99% of the crap I end up downloading after listening to it, I don't keep a huge library of crap) And when I DO find good stuff, I then go buy their music legitimately, because I want to support them. However, the days of dropping 15 bucks on a CD based on one song you heard on the radio, and then finding out when you get home that the other 12 songs suck, are thankfully and mercifully over.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:10 pm
by McSpunckle
I'm sleeping on sheets tonight for the first time in a couple of months. : D
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:21 pm
by dubkitty
there's ways to sample things without taking the product: e.g. there are YouTube clips of the sort that folks link here every day, streaming and terrestrial radio, and so many in-store listening stations you can't walk around a typical music shop without tripping over someone with headphones on. but that aside, do you get to sample everything at the grocery store to see what you like? every dish at the restaurant? do you get to have a free can of every new beer that hits the shelves to see if you like it or not? are your expectations, really, reasonable? or fair?
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:26 pm
by ashdown
the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thread
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:29 pm
by dubkitty
that said, i'll be perfectly happy to drop the topic. it's just that i've seen the pro-download view--which IMO is de facto the pro-theft and anti-artist viewpoint--argued over and over, both here and on other forums, and it seems only fair that the other side be aired for once. people deserve to be compensated for their work, and for the expense incurred in creating that work, acquiring or otherwise paying for the equipment and materials to record the work, and rendering it into a form consumable by the end user.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 pm
by D.o.S.
bigchiefbc wrote:However, the days of dropping 15 bucks on a CD based on one song you heard on the radio, and then finding out when you get home that the other 12 songs suck, are thankfully and mercifully over.
Agreed.
More pertinently: NEW FUCKING JOB!!!!!
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:44 pm
by snipelfritz
^ high five! I'm in the same boat, just gotta quit my current one. Then I'll be elbows deep in roast beef!
dubkitty wrote:anyone can hire a full orchestra, and put them in the living room! there's nothing you can get from a 40-piece choir you can't get from a sample!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxbFLYa0_bw[/youtube]
Can anybody do that? No. They're just that good, but today an incredibly talented teenaged jerkoff has the technical capacity to do that relatively easily. Why anyone would think that is a bad thing is beyond me.
Jesus H. Christ. why should anyone other than preening teenaged jerkoffs in their bedrooms even bother to MAKE music for anyone other than themselves, if the people consuming it only care that much, and have so little respect for the people creating the work?
ad hominem argument has no validity. Especially when I've already disproved it. Not to mention...Radio. People have been getting free music for decades.
Like I told D.o.S. "I think you're wrong" is valid, but not anywhere near a the same thing as "I'm right."
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:52 pm
by D.o.S.
High fuckin' five, hombre.
You're still wrong, though.
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:54 pm
by adrianlee
ashdown wrote:the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thread
Re: the happiness, excitement, and general contentedness thr
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:59 pm
by D.o.S.
Now I'm gonna take it all full circle:
My new gig, I shit you not, is working on developing projects for a publishing company.
In other words, I get paid to help people figure out how to make money in a climate that is hostile to artists making money. Granted, it's literature, not music, but how goddamn synchronicity-filled is that?
So thanks, unownunown and snipelfritz, for cosmically helping me land the new gig. I owe both of you a beer.