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kosta wrote:Not a board, but here's my set-up from a noise jam at a friend's studio last night:

There was one part in there where we were throwing an oscillating sine wave into an expression converter and then into the exp of the Spring Chicken and it was making these awesome kick drum sounds. And the white noise coming out of the Synth Mangler was ending up like a weird kind of mouth harp tone. I <3 Pedlulz....

that looks like a really fun setup. is that a quadruple plauge bearer i see in the upper left corner?!? thats awesome! im gonna get a single module once theyre back in stock.

fetch wrote:How do you use the LPII as a carrier?

Do you mean how did he use his guitar as carrier signal in his ring mod? If I can take a stab at this - ring mods take two signals and mathematically returns a sum of two different altered signals like this: (Input Signal + Carrier Signal) + (Input Signal - Carrier Signal). So if you were using straight up oscillating sine waves or something like that, say a 400hz input tone and a 600hz carrier tone it would be: (400+600)+(400-600) = 1000-200 = 800hz tone.

In phantasmagorovich's example he's using some generated noise stuff for his input and his guitar playing for his carrier, so the tonal output is much more complex and varied. Hope that helps some.

delaydecay wrote:that looks like a really fun setup. is that a quadruple plague bearer i see in the upper left corner?!?

Thanks man! Super fun for sure. Been having a weekly noisescape jam with one of my buds. Ever involving, and always a good time. And dood eye! Totally a quadruple Plague Bearer. I can't recommend that thing enough. The filters sound great just by themselves, but with the CV'able goodness (filter low / filter high / gain) you basically have a tiny modular jam session in your pocket. Such a great piece. And pretty affordable too for what it does. You on Muff Wiggler at all? I feel like they come through over there pretty regular.

yeah, ive lurk Muff Wiggler for a little while, im still learning what everything does, module wise. the plague bearer and maybe a Tip TopZ3000 are things like to get first.

Great place for lurking and learning, that is for sure.

pitch pirate>super fatman>randys revenge>reverberator>psych byke>ruckus>fingerprint>buzzaround>goatkeeper>smmh>echo

Nice one man! I bet that sounds good as hell.... What are you doing with the LFO out on the Goatkeeper in this patch?

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kosta wrote:

fetch wrote:How do you use the LPII as a carrier?

Do you mean how did he use his guitar as carrier signal in his ring mod? If I can take a stab at this - ring mods take two signals and mathematically returns a sum of two different altered signals like this: (Input Signal + Carrier Signal) + (Input Signal - Carrier Signal). So if you were using straight up oscillating sine waves or something like that, say a 400hz input tone and a 600hz carrier tone it would be: (400+600)+(400-600) = 1000-200 = 800hz tone.

In phantasmagorovich's example he's using some generated noise stuff for his input and his guitar playing for his carrier, so the tonal output is much more complex and varied. Hope that helps some.

A bit. Still confused though. Can I use the engine from the LPII as I play guitar? I darnooo, my mind runs wild with thoughts sometimes.
I have a Fender Tele and an LPII. I have a monitor rig setup as well as a guitar amp so I'd assume it's doable.

LPII > Mixer > Monitors
Tele > Pedalboard > Amp

Would the chain be Guitar > LPII > Pedalboard > AMP

Ahhh, my brain explodes with this stuff. Not that I've been taught, but I have read quite a bit and...

This is funny, but now I'm lost - what is the LPII?

fetch wrote:

kosta wrote:

fetch wrote:How do you use the LPII as a carrier?

Do you mean how did he use his guitar as carrier signal in his ring mod? If I can take a stab at this - ring mods take two signals and mathematically returns a sum of two different altered signals like this: (Input Signal + Carrier Signal) + (Input Signal - Carrier Signal). So if you were using straight up oscillating sine waves or something like that, say a 400hz input tone and a 600hz carrier tone it would be: (400+600)+(400-600) = 1000-200 = 800hz tone.

In phantasmagorovich's example he's using some generated noise stuff for his input and his guitar playing for his carrier, so the tonal output is much more complex and varied. Hope that helps some.

A bit. Still confused though. Can I use the engine from the LPII as I play guitar? I darnooo, my mind runs wild with thoughts sometimes.
I have a Fender Tele and an LPII. I have a monitor rig setup as well as a guitar amp so I'd assume it's doable.

LPII > Mixer > Monitors
Tele > Pedalboard > Amp

Would the chain be Guitar > LPII > Pedalboard > AMP

Ahhh, my brain explodes with this stuff. Not that I've been taught, but I have read quite a bit and...

A Ring Modulator actually generates two tones. If you set the carrier to 200Hz and feed in 800Hz you'd get 1000Hz (input + carrier) and 600Hz (input - carrier) sounding together. Usually you use a sine wave as carrier. With my Moogerfooger you can modulate the carrier with a LFO. But it also has the feature of feeding any other signal as a carrier. This is probably meant to be useful if you feed in triangle or square waves. Putting in a Guitar like I did results in noise, because the carrier signal is too complex for anything nice to come out. Another nice trick is splitting the guitar signal and feeding it an as both input and carrier so it modulates itself. Nothing will happen when you only play one note (input & carrier in unison) but if you play a two-note chord, the two tones will modulate each other. A chord will result in wild chaos. (I wish I had this switchable)

@fetch:
Dunno what an LPII is, so I can't tell you if that works.

phantasmagorovich wrote:A Ring Modulator actually generates two tones. If you set the carrier to 200Hz and feed in 800Hz you'd get 1000Hz (input + carrier) and 600Hz (input - carrier) sounding together.

Ah, yes. This is it. I knew I was missing something here. It's not a single summed tone, but two distinct tones being sounded simultaneously. Thanks for the correction.

phantasmagorovich wrote:A Ring Modulator actually generates two tones. If you set the carrier to 200Hz and feed in 800Hz you'd get 1000Hz (input + carrier) and 600Hz (input - carrier) sounding together. Usually you use a sine wave as carrier. With my Moogerfooger you can modulate the carrier with a LFO. But it also has the feature of feeding any other signal as a carrier. This is probably meant to be useful if you feed in triangle or square waves. Putting in a Guitar like I did results in noise, because the carrier signal is too complex for anything nice to come out. Another nice trick is splitting the guitar signal and feeding it an as both input and carrier so it modulates itself.

This is also quite awesome when you add a whammy after the split, before it reaches the carrier in and do all kinds of cool sweeps.

bigchiefbc wrote:

phantasmagorovich wrote:A Ring Modulator actually generates two tones. If you set the carrier to 200Hz and feed in 800Hz you'd get 1000Hz (input + carrier) and 600Hz (input - carrier) sounding together. Usually you use a sine wave as carrier. With my Moogerfooger you can modulate the carrier with a LFO. But it also has the feature of feeding any other signal as a carrier. This is probably meant to be useful if you feed in triangle or square waves. Putting in a Guitar like I did results in noise, because the carrier signal is too complex for anything nice to come out. Another nice trick is splitting the guitar signal and feeding it an as both input and carrier so it modulates itself.

This is also quite awesome when you add a whammy after the split, before it reaches the carrier in and do all kinds of cool sweeps.

Yep, I've always been meaning to get a Whammy just for that. But I never found one for cheap enough.
(Yeah, I know, they are cool pedals but I think I wouldn't use one much)

Here's my travel board, which rotates daily since I commute by subway to my practice space. Not pictured are a Swollen Pickle, EHX 70's Small Stone and a Crybaby 535Q wah...... It cost about 8 bucks for the paint & velcro, they cut me a piece of wood to spec for free at the lumber yard......



Fits in the case, some gator thing built for a microkorg, cost was about 20 bucks.......

I'm planning on buying a bigger synth case with a bigger piece of wood as the base to hold all my pedals so I can alternate between boards depending on my mood........ because when I made this I wasn't using my wah as much and now I want to take it everywhere.......

kosta wrote:Nice one man! I bet that sounds good as hell.... What are you doing with the LFO out on the Goatkeeper in this patch?

hey thanks! the LFO was going into the super fatman..i think it was unplugged at the time of the picture, but earlier I was having some fun w/ that.