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Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:10 pm
by D.o.S.
counterpoint: I don't think you understand statistics.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:14 pm
by Neanderthal Head
Derelict78 wrote:D.o.S. wrote:The difference between a protest vote for a candidate who has no actual shot at winning and the protest votes to leave is, actually, nil. For the most famous example, see: Nadar, Ralph. Thanks for playing, though.
I have spent the better part of six years under Paul LePage because the people who thought he was bad (a 61% majority) couldn't get their shit together. I refuse to entertain the idea of living under Trump in similar circumstances. Fuck. That.
No fuck this. This is retarded.
I will NOT vote for Trump, he would make an awful president.
I will NOT vote for Clinton, she would make an awful president.
I don't buy into the lesser of two evils a I won't guilt vote for someone to keep someone else out of office.
I believe out of the 4 candidates that can statistically win, Johnson would do the best job.
I agree with a lot of this, except the end. My problem with libertarianism in general is that it leaves all wealth and the means of production of that wealth utterly untouched, in the name of "liberty." But that wealth was produced in very complex ways extending far beyond the merit ("I worked hard for this," "I earned this," etc.) of any individual effort. It's a status quo ideology. So, staying with your sentiment: "Fuck that, too!"
Anarcho-syndicalism is a better idealism to embrace because it preaches (and theoretically practices) democracy in the workplace. This means that working people of all stripes make the major decisions in determining their economic, social, and political lives. In my view, what remains scandalous about our 'system' is that we separate out politics from economics, even though they're inseparable, and we cheerfully allow for despotism (bossism) in the workplace. What the fuck is that bullshit? I've had enough.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:15 pm
by D.o.S.
I am anxious to see the numbers that prove Gary Johnson is an electable candidate. I need some lighthearted political fantasy in my life right now.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:21 pm
by Chankgeez
Yeah, fortunately or unfortunately, Gary Johnson has no statistical chance of winning the general Presidential election.
Maybe if Bill Weld were on the top of that ticket?
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:28 pm
by lordgalvar
Chankgeez wrote:lordgalvar wrote:Ring Modulator wrote:The sum and the difference can sometimes be greater than the actual.
Are you sure that isn't Lao Tzu?
Maybe it was? Maybe I heard quotables in-between the waves?
Ring Modulator wrote:For a result to exist, both sides must be in balance.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:31 pm
by Chankgeez
That sounds like Lao Tzu as well.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:38 pm
by snipelfritz
Pupper point to Neanderthal. The logical conclusion to a libertarian economy is enough to make Mitt Romney wet dream hard enough to get banned from Mormon heaven. At least Mittens can pretend he believes in the "rising tide" nonsense. Johnson's argument (although I have yet to hear anyone really call him out on it) is "because freedom."
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:42 pm
by psychic vampire.
The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:54 pm
by Derelict78
D.o.S. wrote:I am anxious to see the numbers that prove Gary Johnson is an electable candidate. I need some lighthearted political fantasy in my life right now.
He is on the ballot in enough states to make it possible to win. Jill Stien is as well.
What happens if Gary Johnson is able to prevent Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton from getting a majority in the Electoral College? The House of Representatives chooses the president from among the top three vote-getters, but it is not just a straight vote by the House of Representatives – and this is where it gets interesting. Rather, each of the fifty states casts a single vote based upon the vote of the House delegation. Wyoming casts the same one vote that California casts.
Based upon the current partisan breakdown of these state delegations, the Republican Party controls 32 state delegations in the House of Representatives while the Democratic Party controls only 16 state delegations in the House of Representatives, and two – Maine and New Hampshire – are split. So the Republicans in the House could choose the next president, and Republicans could even lose control of the House of Representatives and retain enough state delegations to elect the next president.
If Donald Trump continues to run as much against "Republicans" as "Democrats," then these House Republicans, led by Speaker Paul Ryan, might well choose Gary Johnson, a former Republican governor of New Mexico, over Donald Trump, a former Democrat.
Read more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... z4CXY7Wdmu
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:07 pm
by Chankgeez
Yeah, but, sadly no third party Presidential candidate can win in the USA currently. It's all about money and they certainly don't have enough.
(and, yes, psych vamp, Taosim & Ring Modulators
)
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:28 pm
by snipelfritz
Wu Wave
Trump doesn't even have enough money.
At least they've put Gary on CNN enough that they can't bitch about "the mainstream media" anymore.
Electoral reform is necessary. Of course, libertarians would be all about Citizens United, so I can't trust them for that.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:23 pm
by Gone Fission
Derelict78 wrote:D.o.S. wrote:I am anxious to see the numbers that prove Gary Johnson is an electable candidate. I need some lighthearted political fantasy in my life right now.
He is on the ballot in enough states to make it possible to win. Jill Stien is as well.
Lyndon LaRouche was on more ballots in '76 than the Green Party is on today. There was a guy who was in it to win it.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:29 pm
by Derelict78
Attitudes like this is why we have a two party system.
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:30 pm
by Derelict78
Re: Other people's politics been berry, berry bad for me...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:38 pm
by Mudfuzz
D.o.S. wrote: famous example, see: Nadar, Ralph.
example disproven and old data, please try again.