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Yeah that's the kinda set i'd go for if I was shopping. Big old drums. Nice. Plus those pearl pedals! I've been rocking the same eliminator for like 15 years. It's only broken once where the chains connects to the platform. That was like 14 years ago. Let us know how those sabians sound.

terminator wrote:Yeah that's the kinda set i'd go for if I was shopping. Big old drums. Nice. Plus those pearl pedals! I've been rocking the same eliminator for like 15 years. It's only broken once where the chains connects to the platform. That was like 14 years ago. Let us know how those sabians sound.

Thanks bud!!! The eliminators were the deal setter for me, I had a set before I loved. This set was missing a cam and was horribly set up but luckily I had a set of Bkack and a set of white cams from the old set so I installed those and set em up and they play awesomely. Like you said they will take abuse and keep on kicking (unlike tamas) but then again it seems all pearl stuff is designed that way. I will definitely report back about the cymbals!!!

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Road Bull wrote:Awesome! Congrats on the new kit! I always like the idea of having two floor toms, but in practice, it is usually pretty tight at a lot of the venues we play and would get left behind too often. I wouldn't mind having one at home, once I get a home where I can play that is...

Thanks man much appreciated!!!! I'm thinking of putting it to the left of me so I can keep this core setup the way it is but add on with minimal disruption. Plus it would be handy for alot of the tom work I do with linear beats. Since I lead with my right hand I can do some different patterns without having to cross hand. All their old material is written on a four piece though, so I'll try it out with the new stuff we write it might stick it might not.

Also randomly but I saw a post of yours over at the drummerworld forum where you listed off all your cymbals. Which Zildjian 24 do you have? and what are your thoughts on it?

ShaolinLambKiller wrote:Very nice set up ancient!

Thanks bro!

Right on. I have a 24" Zildjian Medium Ride 2013 version. I went on a cymbal buying tear over a year ago. I had played Zildjians for ever. I had a few year break from playing due to living situation and when I came back to jamming with people, I didn't like how my old Zildjian K 20" Custom Dry ride sounded. It was WAY TOO DRY. For what I wanted, I wanted a big more wash, but with a great bell, and something I could crash/ride a bit. In 2013 Zildjian redesigned a lot of their A-line of cymbals. So I picked up a 21" Sweet Ride. Sounds great as a crash, but I wouldn't used it as a ride. So I kept it as a right-side crash. But It was overpowering my 20" Constantinople Low. (its supposed to be a jazz ride) cymbal, that I used as my left side crash. I also had, still do, old 14" New Beat hi-hats. I just wasn't too happy overall with the different volumes that the cymbals would top out at. The Sweet Ride was by far the loudest of the group. I didn't want to keep bashing the hell out of my Constantinople just to break. My next move was picking up the Zildjian 24" Medium Ride that you mentioned. ( see linked review below ) Then I was trying to find a DOOM crash to match the power of the 24" Medium Ride and the 21" Sweet Ride. Before I went to the dark side of Paiste, I picked up a 20" Zildjian K Ride (see crash) I might just keep all this around for a "house set" if I ever end up getting a house, and subsequently a place to play a "house kit". lol.

The long version when I first got it. >> http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/show ... edium+Ride

The short version. It is sitting up against my wall to my left. I like what it is good at, but I just happen to like what Paistes sound like these days. I love me some Paiste 2002 cymbals.

But as for Zildjian, I think it is a pretty solid ride. Check this guy out. >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uIzOsaOrsU He bashes the hell out of it. It is pretty flexible. I like it more the more I watch that video. I might be tempted to find a ride that opens up a bit easier, like the 23" Sweet Ride, or a 24" Zildjian K Light Ride. I don't know.

There are TONS of great cymbals to be had new. That is definitely the way to go when building a collection. You get a lot more for your money. Sabian makes some great stuff too as you have found. I just found that Paiste had a fairly large selection of "LARGER" cymbals to choose from. So that's what brought me in. I picked up a used 2002 22" Crash. Then I got a 2002 24" Ride. Then it was all over.

I would have to say that all the big manufactures have plenty of cool stuff to pick from these days.

I just read your review! Very well done sir!!!! The main reason I asked is I want to build a really small bluegrass / hellbilly / outlaw country / etc kinda set, real simple just kick / snare / hh / crash ride. Short sweet and to the point / core of percussion in that kind of music. I've all ready got a lone kick drum (a Gretsch Club mod 22x20 I refinished in matte black) and harware, just need a snare and cymbals. For that I was considering using a 24" ride that acted as a good subtle crash, not something I would bash on all the time but in a moment where the music got kickin its an option. I always like Zildjians for that kind of music for their timbre really matched well, so I appreciate your input!

Your right in that there are lot of cool offerings from all the manufacturers these days. I absolutely love Paiste 2002's timbre but I personally found them to be extremely fragile under my playing style. I had a 2002 24" ride that I absolutely adored in every fashion but it lasted a whopping 4 months before it got a 3" crack in it and all its tone disappeared. Made me a very sad smoking bear. But the Sabian APX's I ordered are supposed to basically be Sabians version of them but much cheaper and alot more durable. From the videos I've watched they are sonically similar so I'll report back and let you know! I got the 24" ride for 160$ which is half the price of the 2002, as long as its 80-90% of the timbre of the 2002 I'll be happy.

I hear you about the expense thing. But I see used 2002 24" Rides as low as $199 on GC used. So there are deals to be had. I was apprehensive about going with Paiste for the durability issues that you mentioned. But I am not a light hitter, and everything is still in one piece. So far...

If I was going your route, I would take more of a look at the Zildjian 23" Sweet Ride, or 24" K Light Ride. I think both are versatile and open up better to accent crashing than my 24" Medium Ride does. The Med. Ride is a heavy ride for all intensive purposes. I just think a slightly lighter ride will be better if you are going for a one cymbal set up.

Go to mycymbal.com and you cand listen to all these cymbals.

Your a lucky duck then!!! If I end up not digging the APX cymbals I'll definitely be looking into Paiste's.

Sweet thanks man when the time comes I'll take a look into those!! For now I don't really have the funds to finish off the simple set but when I do those will be the first ones I check out.

Kinda considering eventually getting new lugs for my new pearl exports, I dont like the part int he middle that runs the length of the drum. Next time I have them at my house for a week or so, or next time I swap the heads, I think I'm gonna pull that part out and see if that quells my GAS. But then the lugs will have an open hole on the end so I dunno....

I like those ridiculous overbuilt lugs. They make the set look tougher.

terminator wrote:I like those ridiculous overbuilt lugs. They make the set look tougher.

Eh, maybe your on to something there.....

terminator wrote:I like those ridiculous overbuilt lugs. They make the set look tougher.

Yeah, I would agree. I like mach-style lugs. I dug em on my Tama Artsrar. I think they look pretty cool. I understand about trying to balance the aesthetic thing though, but I wouldn't worry about them. New heads and proper tuning can make even a very rudimentary kit sound pretty freaking sweet. Head selection is actually a fairly important choice when going for different sounds. I am a pretty big fan of running Remo Coated Emperor on the batter side with Remo clear Ambassador on the resonant head. This is a fairly common thing. And Emperrors hold up pretty well for a fairly long time. The same thing with Evans drum heads would be Coated G2s on the top with clear, (or whatever) G1s on the bottom.

But there are a ton of good heads and combos out there. I tend to stay away from heads that are too muffled or focused, like pinstripes and whatnot, or heads with a bunch of muffling built it. But many like at least the bass drum with some muffling option.

I don'd do much to muffle the drums. I like them wide open. Things that you think are too ringy up close can't even be heard out front in the audience, especially with a band playing. I am also a recent convert to just using two 2-2.5" felt strips for muffling the bass drum. But you can get the same effect with a Richie Ring, (that's the head with a second piece of plastic that rings the inside of the head. This is generally more than enough muffling for most applications. Maybe if you play super fast double bass you might want more, but for my needs and likes, I like a bit less muffling. Think John Bonham. His drums when played alone, ring a bit, but sound great overall. (to my ears). But if you go on youtube, and look at ppl selling a John Bonham sized drum kit, they tune them so that they sound great as "close reference" but come across really thuddy and dead. His big drums sounded best when tuned up a bit.

Check this out. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwLN7sFIE8 (very in-depth explanation of Bonham's sound) doesn't mean that you have to go for HIS sound, but there are good explanations as to the theories behind his sound.

That same kit played >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPLCsSBkIQ

This is an example of how I love to hear drums. High tuning, big drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwffE1FfCdo When you play the drums by themselves, they might sound too open, but played together, or in a band context, sounds thunderous.

This would be an example of what I don't like. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKriX9nUgt8 (snare sounds alright.)

But, you can get your drums to do pretty amazing things with just the head selection and you tuning preference. And enjoy those new Sabians. The info on the Zildjians and Paisties are for way down the road when opportunity and interest present themselves.

Good luck.

Road Bull wrote:

terminator wrote:I like those ridiculous overbuilt lugs. They make the set look tougher.

Yeah, I would agree. I like mach-style lugs. I dug em on my Tama Artsrar. I think they look pretty cool. I understand about trying to balance the aesthetic thing though, but I wouldn't worry about them. New heads and proper tuning can make even a very rudimentary kit sound pretty freaking sweet. Head selection is actually a fairly important choice when going for different sounds. I am a pretty big fan of running Remo Coated Emperor on the batter side with Remo clear Ambassador on the resonant head. This is a fairly common thing. And Emperrors hold up pretty well for a fairly long time. The same thing with Evans drum heads would be Coated G2s on the top with clear, (or whatever) G1s on the bottom.

But there are a ton of good heads and combos out there. I tend to stay away from heads that are too muffled or focused, like pinstripes and whatnot, or heads with a bunch of muffling built it. But many like at least the bass drum with some muffling option.

I don'd do much to muffle the drums. I like them wide open. Things that you think are too ringy up close can't even be heard out front in the audience, especially with a band playing. I am also a recent convert to just using two 2-2.5" felt strips for muffling the bass drum. But you can get the same effect with a Richie Ring, (that's the head with a second piece of plastic that rings the inside of the head. This is generally more than enough muffling for most applications. Maybe if you play super fast double bass you might want more, but for my needs and likes, I like a bit less muffling. Think John Bonham. His drums when played alone, ring a bit, but sound great overall. (to my ears). But if you go on youtube, and look at ppl selling a John Bonham sized drum kit, they tune them so that they sound great as "close reference" but come across really thuddy and dead. His big drums sounded best when tuned up a bit.

Check this out. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwLN7sFIE8 (very in-depth explanation of Bonham's sound) doesn't mean that you have to go for HIS sound, but there are good explanations as to the theories behind his sound.

That same kit played >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPLCsSBkIQ

This is an example of how I love to hear drums. High tuning, big drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwffE1FfCdo When you play the drums by themselves, they might sound too open, but played together, or in a band context, sounds thunderous.

This would be an example of what I don't like. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKriX9nUgt8 (snare sounds alright.)

But, you can get your drums to do pretty amazing things with just the head selection and you tuning preference. And enjoy those new Sabians. The info on the Zildjians and Paisties are for way down the road when opportunity and interest present themselves.

Good luck.

Yeah I'm starting to dig on them more and more. So I'll probably just leave them alone.

I hear you on the heads! I lucked out and this set came with relatively new heads (it looked like they had been played one time) The toms have coated Evans G2's on top and Remo Ambassador's on the bottom, the kick has Emad batter and reso's. The snare has an HD dry on top and I can't remember what on the bottom. I also completely agree with the tuning up and no muting. I have nothing in the bass drum just the Emad muffling and its tuned pretty tight and sounds fucking huge. When I first set the kit up at the practice spot and was testing out the kick the singer screamed from up stairs "So that's what a tuned kick drum is supposed to sound like!!!!". It's just a beast and is probably the loudest kick I've ever had. As far as the tom's I have tuned up pretty high as well for the reason you mentioned, they might ring a lil bit when your playing them but 5ft in front of the kit is a different story all together. They sound deep and punchy. I do Think I will swap them for some type of two layer clear head as I'm not a huge fan of coated heads on toms but for now I'm pretty happy. My goal was to replicate the HoF DITC drum sound and they nail em pretty spot on despite being a mahogany kit not a maple.

I'll check out those videos later tonight! I've been going on a drumt echnique vdeo binge lately trying to find helpful stuff, right now I'm focusing on trying to learn heel / toe, slide foot, and flat foot technique's. Not that we'll be doing insane double bass work (at least not yet ) but I'm on a search to find ways of playing fast and or heavy for longer periods of time while expending the least amount of energy (to increase stamina) and doing the least amount of unnecessary movement (to reduce the chance of injuries or reigniting old ones).

Slightly off topic but have you guys tried out the Pearl Vinnie Paul Snare? It's a beefy as hell 14x8 maple snare that seems to cut through the mix amazingly. I'm not to keen on the nsakeskin finish but the snare is one of the least seen drums when your playing.

I haven't heard the VP snare. It sounds cool. I could to without the finish I suppose. But I understand Pearl wanting it to look different than the million other snares in the world. I have been happy with most of the snares I have owned. But the one I play the most is a Ludwig 14 x 6.5" snare. Its the Supraphonic (aluminum type snare. I like it a lot, but would be happy with whatever as long as it tuned up good and was at least 6.5" deep.

I prefer the cutting nature of brass but I'm a maple snare fan as well. I hear ya on the 6.5" though!!! gotta have some body to that shit.

Guh....



Paiste 2002 24" CrashCymbal

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paiste-2002-24-CrashCymbal-/161382354382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2593234dce

That's one of the few cymbals out there that I would like to have. I will patiently wait yo pick one up a bit cheaper. But that is nice!