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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:54 pm
by Dandolin
crochambeau wrote:So, of late I have been experimenting with modulation schemes. In one corner there is a discrete transistor four quadrant multiplier (Gilbert Cell), and in another I had a go at employing "super diodes" (which are opamp compensated diodes to eliminate the forward voltage drop) in an otherwise conventional transformer coupled diode ring.

In both instances I have observed an almost "half modulated" performance, in which I can more or less suppress the carrier signal while the primary input is silent, but the primary input is not suppressed at the lack of the carrier. It's sonically pleasing, but shies away from deep modulation.
intrigued, and I can't imagine you're at a stopping point with that :D :snax: :poke: :snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:23 pm
by crochambeau
Chankgeez wrote::thumb:

Wonderin' what it'd sound like with this entire track run through it:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqqBs6kkzHE[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqqBs6kkzHE

:idk: :snax:
With what as carrier? Or should I just punch L side into primary input and R side into carrier input?

The four quadrant multiplier is fun, it can be mighty sensitive about settings though, getting a decent range around the through zero point involves very gentle pot rotation, and I don't think anyone in their right mind wants a multiturn pot on a fucking effects pedal (hahaah).
Dandolin wrote:intrigued, and I can't imagine you're at a stopping point with that :D :snax: :poke: :snax:
No, not at a stopping point yet. I'm more interested in a serviceable VCA circuit than gilding the lily on a ring mod, but that won't stop me from gilding lilies. Seriously, I'm just after a decent utility stage I can use as a building block. The multiplicative mixing is just icing on the cake, somewhat tangential but firmly related to the ring mod circus.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:52 pm
by Chankgeez
crochambeau wrote: Or should I just punch L side into primary input and R side into carrier input?
:lol: Yes! :thumb:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:17 am
by Dandolin
maybe feed the left and right outputs into a panner or ping-pong delay first, then into the primary and carrier :snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:36 am
by crochambeau
I'll fuck around with it, the prototype unit I had on hand is under destructive test at a friend's place, so it'll take me a minute to bang something out.

I see no reason not to use The Human League as a baseline comparison source by which all modulators are measured.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:08 pm
by frodog
Y'all see this? (flange & ring mod, by Frayed Knot)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DO25qQijT4[/youtube]

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm
by Dandolin
:snax: been known to like me some frayed knot - sounds good!

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:53 pm
by crochambeau
5 in 1, certainly fruit from the garden of unearthly delights.

I may be suffering from morning brain, but that part about the album being playable from the pedal is fucking wicked, if literally true.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:02 pm
by Dandolin
pretty sure it's true, but not sure how playback is triggered /initiated.

looks like this was a short run for Bandcamp Friday. I wanna get more into programming and see what I can come up with programming for some hardware like Norns Shield/Hoxton Owl/Electro Smith Petal or someaught....

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:35 pm
by $harkToootth
Dandolin wrote:I wanna get more into programming and see what I can come up with programming for some hardware like Norns Shield/Hoxton Owl/Electro Smith Petal or someaught....
Yes, you should do this m8. I want you to that too.

Thank goodness the frayned knot was a limited run. I have well beyond anything I would ever need but... that one could pulled the ole FRAY SWAY on me.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:38 am
by Chankgeez
John Dwyer's sellin' his Play Boy HF Modulator (in fair condition):

https://reverb.com/item/37761495-play-b ... john-dwyer

Image

:idk: :snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:40 pm
by crochambeau
That white piping around the baseplate.. *chef's kiss*

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:03 pm
by Chankgeez
"Play Boy" has to look good. :lol: :excellent:

This doesn't look quite as good:

Image

https://reverb.com/item/37842492-ring-m ... o-ring-mod

:lol: :idk:

(some history: viewtopic.php?f=151&t=12546&p=154799&hi ... or#p154799 )

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:28 pm
by Dandolin
:lol:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:11 pm
by Chankgeez