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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:31 pm
by Dandolin
I mean, I really like the control scheme on there, but I would save up for analog, if I wasn't too bz orderin' up balls out Monobii :snax:

I wonder how the freq shift modes on the E520 compare? :snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:56 pm
by lordgalvar
I've come around a bit on the EHX Ring Thing. I think what was happening when I played it:

1: it's not that much fun on drum machines (maybe a preamp thing?)
2: the memory function screws me up sometimes, which would reset the preset to something with less blend?
3: I think I was expecting more harmonic shift from the waveshape.
4: I didn't really understand the lights on which mode I was on...just realized all lights probably means pitch shifter?
5: it's ugly?

Anyway, it's better on guitar than drum machine by far.

E520 vs. Roman 285: E520 runs on a better computer and probably can auto balance signals resulting in a more HiFi digital sound. E520 has all the routings, modulation, and all that stuff in box. The Roman 285 is pretty basic and would need function generators/mixers to get close. E520 also has a wide range of carrier shapes iirc when I checked it out. (Haven't used either just guessing). E520 is too much for me though, haha.

Vs. 285e: it's analog with a digital carrier. Probably similar in concept to the 185, oscillator, phase shift 90 degrees, mixer, and 2 ring mods.

285e vs 360 20/20: 285e is more clean, but you'd need a good preamp to really use it with guitar. 20/20 is was more dirty and mine probably needs a good balance on the trim pots, but it works with whatever you plug in.

20/20 is weird though because the blend knob seems to be fully wet for ring mod in the center but if you want to use frequency shift (up/down) you've gotta turn the knob to the left of right to get full wet. Or something. It's weird and it trips me up because I can't tell if my ears are playing tricks on me. 20/20 can also only use its own oscillator.

Dandolin, you still got your eurorack? You might be able to patch a frequency shifter from 2 ring mods, a mixer, and an oscillator (a quad, a phaser, or several inverters). 185 style.

Anyway, Roman 285 spin is probably closet to ring thing, without the pitch modes.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:02 pm
by Dandolin
:joy: cool - just need to add another ring mod - I assume two passive diode ring jobbies is the way to go? :joy:

I agree re: Ring Thing - surprisingly decent on guitar :)*

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:32 pm
by lordgalvar
ModDemix works pretty ok. Two diode rings might get dicey unless you have a way to control amplitude... might just be fiddly with all the balancing.

Another cool trick is to invert a signal and then invert it again: it should be phase shifted 90 degrees (at least the intellijel one does this).

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:03 am
by Dowi
i've tried a Ring Thing a couple months back and honestly was surprised by how it sounded. I expected it to suck, instead it was pretty good, specially with a single coil neck pickup ----> BELLS with huge low end (but that's just a setting i like with almost all ring mods :)* ). The whole preset/knob thing is typical on EHX big boxes since a few years, i don't like it but i don't dislike it either, it's just..a way to do it, i guess :idk: That being said i only tried it on the fly with straight guitar-ring thing-amp so i don't know how it behaves with loops, dirts, drum machines or synths..

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:31 pm
by lordgalvar
It's a fun pedal for sure. I haven't played with ring thing much more lately. People in my house have and it's their favorite.

Lately my pedal "board" for jams has either been:
Hexe Carrier III -> Phosphene Psuedo-ringmod -> Power Grid (old LG setup style)
Or
Dutch Kazoo -> Melos Ring Mod (finally figured out the power supply) -> Hexe Carrier III

Everybody hates it haha. I'm trying to get choppier on my riffing.
I dunno. Been nostalgic lately.

Mostly just bumping the thread.

I don't really get Deep Space Radio-Bright from demos or descriptions. Everything, to me, comes off as not a ring modulator. It's like a bit crusher/fast tremolo. And the delay blend seems weird. Anyone got one? I'm not really into slow jam ambient...can the thing do metal drums? Paranoid solo? Devo?

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:42 pm
by Chankgeez
:thumb: :)* :love:

I almost bumped the thread the other day when this was listed:

Image

https://reverb.com/item/34684736-gretsc ... black-blue

:snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:49 pm
by lordgalvar
That's not a bad price at all.

It's a fun pedal. Clones seem to be super cheap though. I have the Jen one in the original box. I should get it out some day.

My Melos has the original box, Styrofoam, batteries, cable, and adapter haha. True NOS.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:22 pm
by Dandolin
Intermittent footswitch? Right up my alley :snax:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:47 pm
by Chankgeez
:lol: It's like glitch, but cheaper? :idk:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:51 pm
by Dandolin
:idea: marketing :lol:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:18 pm
by MrNovember
I'm about to pull the trigger on a Randy's Revenge. I had one a long time ago and I really loved how musical it was. Anything else I should consider before I pull the trigger?

I'm planning on putting it on a small pedalboard that will be used as my main sound. Likely something along the lines of:
Accountant > Randy's Revenge > Life Pedal (or maybe a Mini or a Fuck?) > Rubberneck > Levitation > amp

My other, bigger board is more focused on ambient sounds:
Tetanus Booster > Superego Plus (loop: Luminary > Tremstortion) > VPJR (tuner out to Pitchblack) > Rainbow Machine > DMM XO > Dispatch Master > ECCOS > amp

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:22 pm
by Chankgeez
I was gonna say "Monobius", but I'd not want Monobius on a small 'board. :lol:

Randy's is a good choice! :!!!: :thumb: :love:

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:42 pm
by Dandolin
unless it was the board :lol:

Randy's is awesome :)* but it's not necessarily the one if you really want harsh, cutting stuff :idk: which...doesn't sound like your goal?

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:49 pm
by MrNovember
Yeah my goal isn't really harsh sounds. I'm really kind of after the sound here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4VQS7Kw88[/youtube]
Not sure if it's actually a ring mod, but I am pretty sure I can get close enough with one