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Re: Midi sequencing

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tremolo3 wrote:2 months seems really excessive for getting to start working on those, I read many horror stories about that before getting mine but it wasn't that bad :idk: and manual is unbelievable good :!!!:
I was pretty blown away with what it was capable of as a standalone unit, I wasn't in a rush to integrate. The amount of sound I was able to make just using the stock drum and synth sounds was pretty crazy.

I still haven't done much actual direct sampling with it, but I've loaded some more soundpacks and I've got it controlling my other synths, which is awesome. When I first got it, I wasn't sure I'd really use the midi tracks, but that seems a bit silly now as it controls everything in my set up.

Every time I sit down with it, I seem to learn something new about it.
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Ah, that makes sense, that was exactly what happened to me when I got the Octatrack :hello:

Do you have any favorite soundpacks?
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In stimulant fueled mania I was at one point (yesterday evening) convinced I needed an Intellijel Metropolis... which lead me to this app https://www.defectiverecords.com/m185/index.html.
It's all of $40 :lol: :lol: :lol: and you can try it out before you buy it first.
Is it the same thing as a metropolis... no.
Is it close enough? Debatable.
Will it work for me. IT WILL! And I imagine it will be a great addition for you app savvy midi people.
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@Inconuucl - What are you using in you ableton set up? What controllers do you have?
I'm trying to capitalize on cyber monday. I'm thinking it's time to go more laptop oriented for my rhythm-y / synth stuff. Especially cause re: albums of the decade thread... a lot of my favorites that came out in the past decade use nothing but a laptop :lol:

Also... embarrassingly... debating on scoring used octorack cause 1. I'm supposed to travel for work more this year 2. SURGEON has one 3. Tremolo3 has one 4. Mr. Soundboyking has something like it for sample mangling. 5. A used one can go for around $600.

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Re: Midi sequencing

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More_Divebombs wrote:Digitakt is half the price of the Octatrack and is a sort of streamlined model. Doesn't quite have the depth of the Octa, but it still a crazy powerful machine and great and sequencing and sampling. It's great fun straight out of the box with the built in sounds too, before even sampling or hooking it up to the rest of your gear. I spent about 2 months with mine before even getting to sampling or midi sequencing. They are great fun.
I was actually going to ask you about your Digitakt since you made several albums I've loved!
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My humble advice: Get the OT if you think you will have the time to spend on it.

Yes, you can lay down a 64 step pattern with 8 tracks and fuck around with the p-locks until you get something you're satisfied with, but that can take months to master, or maybe a couple of hours ;)
Then you'll find yourself stuck with patterns and you may jump into Scenes to add more variety to your jam, but that will become boring soon too, so you will discover Parts are actually useful, then again it will become boring, that's when you discover how powerful the Arranger can be to get a proper song.
Once you're done with it, you will want to go back to few steps pattern again, this time with one-shot samples, maybe tracks with different length for Steve Reich and concrete music.
So it is complex, it can do fake self generative patches out of hiss noise, drum machine, frippertronics looping for your guitar, etc.

And again, for something like techno, seems to be a very capable machine once you get the a proper collection of samples.
Actually I made my decision on getting it after knowing it's the center piece of The Field, and I'm not really into "techno" lol :idk:

(skip to 3:50)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXcarHyr1U[/youtube]



Octatrack Manual is the only tab I haven't closed in my browser for about a year, most of the time the answer is there, so a simple ctrl+f will do the job.
But there are a few guys on YouTube doing great guides/tricks for all levels, Cuckoo has some good stuff if you can stand ~40 min videos, and max marco is nuts, don't open any of his videos until you have spent months with the OT (but seriously, he has opened this machine way beyond Elektron ever probably ever intended, like routing MIDI IN to MIDI OUT for conditional sampling? WTF :poke: ).
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Re: Midi sequencing

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tremolo3 wrote:My humble advice: Get the OT if you think you will have the time to spend on it.
I read everything you wrote. Funny cause I was watching CuCoo videos in making a decision. I don't think I'll have the proper time to spend with it... so it's in my very small pile of "get it if the price is right... don't hunt for it" category. Thanks for the insight m8.

It would be a used MKI and MKII is [personally] more than I would ever spend a musical apparatus... ever... (not saying it's not worth it... far from it... the tactile nature of the beast looks like a joy to use... just out of my budget).
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+1 for the OT. I wouldn't say its as daunting as a lot of people make it out to be but like Tremolo said just go section by section. I've had mine for about a year and I go through phases when I don't touch it for a few weeks because I'm in a guitar zone and I have to refresh myself with the manual here and there but overall its fairly easy to use imo.
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There you go, by the guy who's probably the biggest OT nerd out there:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrnBz0TpPY[/youtube]

(his music/tutorials are way better than his personality :whateva: )
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Don't tempt me bro... I need (want) a new (coughs... refurbished from 2013) laptop...
EDIT: Well this sold me on the MK I (again MK II was not an option anyway... but the screen size and type). Trem, did you see that extension thing SURGEON uses with his so that there is less menu diving?
EDIT II: It's a faderfox pc4 http://www.faderfox.de/pc4.html
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$harkToootth wrote:Trem, did you see that extension thing SURGEON uses with his so that there is less menu diving?
EDIT II: It's a faderfox pc4 http://www.faderfox.de/pc4.html

Yeah, saw it and thought it was great for his style, although most of it can be done with Scenes and the slider.
Like for instance, have filter Q go from 100 to 29 on track #1, bringing in volume for track #1 and at the same time bring down volume for track #6, having 0ms delay time and go up to 800ms on track #3, lowering compressor on track #4, adjusting 1 lfo rate on track #8,s and so on... All of this with just 1 slider.

Think of it as a really advanced expression pedal, but you can adjust pretty much everything, and have 8 of this different "configurations" per project, maybe even by part or per bank (and you have up to 4 parts per bank, and 16 banks per project), but that's kinda... way too much :whateva:

Or if you fancy automation, you can use the Arranger and let the Octatrack do all these changes for you without having to tweak anything in real time, it can be boring and take a lot of time, but it's really amazing see how it plays itself :lol:

So yeah, now forget what I said about the time and just get one :lol:
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Damn, I forgot about Faderfox. Now I want a UC4 to pair with my Digitakt. Literally just stated this in a different thread, but I'm going to be using the 16n Faderbank with my Digitakt. The UC4 seems a little more robust than the 16n, though.

Also, I know this thread is a little old, but I think this is what you need, bearstripes:
https://www.retrokits.com/rk006/
It's not out yet (supposed to be out this winter), but it is specifically designed to link all the gear you're talking about.
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Thanks for posting those midi controllers, I was about to try to build my own because I couldn't find what I needed.

I don't suppose anyone knows of someone doing similar stuff with foot controllers?
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PAGING @cosmicvan -> Please elaborate. Curious? I think others might be too.
cosmicevan wrote:TFW when you realize the truth about implementing a complex MIDI setup on your board...

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Re: Midi sequencing

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Ha, new year same questions.
Here’s my current setup
Minilogue
Volca sample
Volca fm
Po 12 drums
Po 33 sample

I just got a circuit mono station with hopes of that being the brain of everything and adding a mono synth for bass n stuff. The sequencers on all my gear are 16 step which is killing me, especially the one on the minilouge.
Problem is, I didn’t realize that the circuit is only 16 steps as well.

So I’m looking to replace that. I want something that can be the brain of my setup as well as be it’s own thing (mono synth, sampler, drum machine, whatever). Don’t want to spend too much and plan on ditching the circuit mono to pay for it. May be willing to ditch one of the volcas if there is too much overlap.

I’m simple so I really want something with an easy work flow. Had an electribe 2 sample and hated the workflow. Tap tempo is always a bonus. 32 to 64 steps is great.

So the only things that I have been looking at are the elecktron model sample and the beatstep pro (prob add a volca bass or behringer crave if I go this route) but am open to any and all ideas. Are the cheaper mpc’s good for this? The ability to on board sample is always a plus. But I’ve done a ton of research and am not sure where to go as well as I’m tired of trying out tons of stuff only to have to flip it a month later.
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