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Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:30 am
by veteransdaypoppy
Yeah, he bummed me out. Not you, man. Sorry about the communication breakdown.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:49 pm
by TheAttackman
veteransdaypoppy wrote: communication breakdown.
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Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:50 am
by genxide
aen wrote:NOt if you adjust the intonation. That's why the little saddles for the strigns are movable.
lol, really? i thought they were for looks *scratches his head*
actualy, scale length and fret placement is for intonation. the 'little saddles' are not there to adjust intonation, they are there to fine tune the intonation that is already set by the scale length and fret placement.
been through it, done it... do what you want... but i gave you my experience to help you save time.
besides, most guitarists cant hear proper intonation anyway.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:25 am
by genxide
side note: one of my favorite bands, godflesh, i recently heard used light strings, detuned to C, on a standard scale guitar. so, you can do it, and sound good doing it. but i think if you do, and switch out to an actual baritone neck later, you'll like the way your notes sound, alot better with the baritone neck.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:18 am
by aen
You might be surprised. I spent the cash on a baritone neck and vastly preferred a heavy strung, low tuned 25.5" scale guitar. If we take this disparity downa notch, think of tuning a 24" scale Jaguar down to D. Trust me, you can. We're only talking a difference of 1.5" between a "full scale" strat and a "proper baritone" the same distance between a strat and a jag or mustang. It's about a 6% difference in scale in both situations.
It might not work on every guitar, I had a jagmaster that refused to intonate to any tuning, standard, open G, Aenstandard, Baritione... and you might need some nutowrk, (I did it on a tele with a nut cut for itsy bitsy strings and it was hell) but if your saddles have some play, and its a well constructed guitar, you should be in good shape.
The Beast
has been in a baritone tuning for years, i just filed the nut a little for the lowest 2 strings, and havent had a moments trouble.
Aside from that Sunn 0))) tunes their shortish scale les pauls down to fucking G# or something, but they're insane. Also apologies for overuse of quotes.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:26 am
by smile_man
Aen is basic proof that you are wrong genxide.
Why can't you let OP have his baritone guitar?! WHY MUST YOU CRUSH HIS DREAMS SO MERCILESSLY!?
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:24 am
by veteransdaypoppy
smile_man wrote:Aen is basic proof that you are wrong genxide.
Why can't you let OP have his baritone guitar?! WHY MUST YOU CRUSH HIS DREAMS SO MERCILESSLY!?
YOU TELL HIM!!
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:17 pm
by genxide
wrong how?
first off for it to be a baritone. it HAS to be a baritone scale. tuning it down, is just detuning, and does not make a guitar a baritone.
and i also stated that C is the HIGHEST i'd go on a baritone. baritone is actualy made for going down to A. C is an iffy note on any guitar, standard, short or baritone scale.
and nothing crazy about the sunns tuning down to G# , soundgarden was doing that shit way back in the olden day's, to you boys.
*gets as whining as the other kid* now why cant you all learn to do something right, and actualy get a baritone scale neck for a guitar, and stop calling things that arent 'baritone', 'baritone', just so you can seem 'cool'
so, sorry, but whine all you want... the kid cant have a baritone guitar, unless he gets a baritone scale neck.
otherwise, he's just detuning like the rest of the m-asses, now-a-days.
and besides... you cant get 'perfect' intonation on ANY guitar. you should always go by your ears first.
but there is no way, that i was ever wrong. i'm not the noobs calling standard scale, 'baritone', and i'm deffinately not the noob that's trying to argue that i'm wrong, when i am right. (and if you knew how to read, you'd of read that i said it can be done to sound good at standard scale)
have fun arguing and whining about, instead of playing. it's funny to see how kids now a days spend the time they could be experimenting and practicing and working on music. i wont be checking this thread again.
*mutters obscenities about the kids these days*
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:03 am
by eti
genxide wrote:wrong how?
first off for it to be a baritone. it HAS to be a baritone scale. tuning it down, is just detuning, and does not make a guitar a baritone.
Tuning down and using baritone strings makes it a short-scale baritone. Just like a 22"-scale guitar is still a guitar. Is it different? Sure. Is it better or worse? That's subjective.
it's funny to see how kids now a days spend the time they could be experimenting and practicing and working on music.
Dude, I'm like 14 years older than you.
i wont be checking this thread again.
Good, now we can poke fun at you.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:10 am
by aen
Theres so much I want to say! So, I'll just start "spit ballin'" I guess.
Good! GTFO!
Definitions of baritone on the Web:
* a male singer
* the second lowest adult male singing voice
* lower in range than tenor and higher than bass; "a baritone voice"; "baritone oboe"
No where in any definetion of baritone I have found is a scale length mentioned.
Every time someone says they wont be checking a thread anymore, they are. Fuck this guy. I tried to be considerate and gentle in my last post, but I guess the BariNazi couldn't handle a conversation.
And the classic "Go ahead and bitch on the internet instead of making music" taunt. Eat shit, man, I do make music, and its pretty fucking good. And the only people allowed to call me kid anymore are my parents and grandparents. This is because I am in fact, a grown up, raising 3 kids, and running my own business, while you are raising the "idiotic post" average and running your mouth off.
So, in summation, I am glad to be rid of you.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:41 am
by More
Aen wins in more than just a parochial manner I would have to say. There are other things I want to say but I won't.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:04 am
by smile_man
genxide wrote:and nothing crazy about the sunns tuning down to G# , soundgarden was doing that shit way back in the olden day's, to you boys.
but there is no way, that i was ever wrong. i'm not the noobs calling standard scale, 'baritone', and i'm deffinately not the noob that's trying to argue that i'm wrong, when i am right. (and if you knew how to read, you'd of read that i said it can be done to sound good at standard scale)
have fun arguing and whining about, instead of playing. it's funny to see how kids now a days spend the time they could be experimenting and practicing and working on music. i wont be checking this thread again.
*mutters obscenities about the kids these days*
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Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:38 pm
by genxide
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–adjective 1. low in pitch; of the lowest pitch or range: a bass voice; a bass instrument.
2. of or pertaining to the lowest part in harmonic music.
–noun 3. the bass part.
4. a bass voice, singer, or instrument.
5. double bass.
so by your logic (logic is used loosely here) you can take your strings off your guitar and use bass strings huh? cause scale length doesnt matter there too, huh?
People that want to teach people wrongly deserve to be herded up and cooked like the cattle they are.
99.9% of the ideas carried by the masses all throughout history, has been wrong. what makes you all think you are different.
bye.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:50 pm
by aen
you know, and we all know that your bass question is a load of shit.
your advocation of genocide is really not charming.
You already said you were leaving. And there was a rousing chorus of GTFO. Then you showed up again (Who called it? Oh, yeah, it was me) and turned up the assholiness even further. So really, please, Get The Fuck Out, and Stay The Fuck Out.
Re: Strat -> Baritone?
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:19 am
by veteransdaypoppy
<3<3aen. mah hero.
genxide wrote:have fun arguing and whining about, instead of playing. it's funny to see how kids now a days spend the time they could be experimenting and practicing and working on music. i wont be checking this thread again.
*mutters obscenities about the kids these days*
... so if you're an advocate for experimentation... why are you telling me not to experiment? maybe fucked up intonation is what i'm going for.
whatever man, if you wanna leave because people disagree with you on one simple thing, then that's fine. we don't really appreciate such close-mindedness on this forum anyway. silly as it is, we're a tight-knit community on here and you refusing to be a part of it because of this silliness just baffles me in regard to your immaturity. yet you call me a kid.
chill out dude. don't go away mad, just go away.