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01010111 wrote: egg-xactly. Digital stuff can do anything except have a consistently easy to use interface. Even the Volca FM's annoying to use because so many parameters are hidden in the dozens of sub menus. Unless you have the patience of a monk, you either get the presets, or some weird clangy version of them.

Exactly why I suggested the System-1.

There are precisely two sub-options (the patches become banks in a firmware update, sending you from 8 to 64 patches total, but you don't *HAVE* to switch banks, ever! - and they add oscillator variations in the same patch, which again, you don't have to use!).

Rest is *as it appears* - and for the plugouts, the stuff that doesn't work with a particular plugout...is not lit up!

rfurtkamp wrote:

01010111 wrote: egg-xactly. Digital stuff can do anything except have a consistently easy to use interface. Even the Volca FM's annoying to use because so many parameters are hidden in the dozens of sub menus. Unless you have the patience of a monk, you either get the presets, or some weird clangy version of them.

Exactly why I suggested the System-1.

There are precisely two sub-options (the patches become banks in a firmware update, sending you from 8 to 64 patches total, but you don't *HAVE* to switch banks, ever! - and they add oscillator variations in the same patch, which again, you don't have to use!).

Rest is *as it appears* - and for the plugouts, the stuff that doesn't work with a particular plugout...is not lit up!

That thing is so rad. I'm really sad it isn't more popular. I need to track one down and see how much I like it in person....

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Spiralling down the synth rabbit hole: or how Pumpkin Pieces went fully Corgan

goroth wrote:Spiralling down the synth rabbit hole: or how Pumpkin Pieces went fully Corgan

I have too much hair tho!

Update: Found a used Rhythm Wolf for $100 at guitar center so I picked that up plus a few other goodies. I may end up returning and getting a drum brute, because I have no idea what sort of drum sound I want.

Now I am watching 0 Coast, MS20, and Moog demos till I die.

01010111 wrote:
That thing is so rad. I'm really sad it isn't more popular. I need to track one down and see how much I like it in person....

One thing to play with when you do get that chance: preset versus manual control in real time, ie instant "totally different" sound that's still adjustable either way.

That includes the sound engines - you can have all your knob settings carry over from the System1 engine to the plugout with the push of a button and get RADICALLY different sounds, instantly - or do the same with patches etc.

PumpkinPieces wrote:

goroth wrote:Spiralling down the synth rabbit hole: or how Pumpkin Pieces went fully Corgan

I have too much hair tho

You can fix that with conveniently available hair removal products.

rfurtkamp wrote:

01010111 wrote:
That thing is so rad. I'm really sad it isn't more popular. I need to track one down and see how much I like it in person....

One thing to play with when you do get that chance: preset versus manual control in real time, ie instant "totally different" sound that's still adjustable either way.

That includes the sound engines - you can have all your knob settings carry over from the System1 engine to the plugout with the push of a button and get RADICALLY different sounds, instantly - or do the same with patches etc.

Shit. That's AWESOME!! That's really cool they made it behave in an "analog" way like that.

Yea, it's something that none of the reviews or demos show, I was surprised to find it a week into owning it by pure accident.

Also, at this point, there's ..acquirable versions of the plugouts if you're so inclined and can search Google.

The ask for hardware owners is a bit much IMO, but...

Yea, it's something that none of the reviews or demos show, I was surprised to find it a week into owning it by pure accident.

Also, at this point, there's ..acquirable versions of the plugouts if you're so inclined and can search Google.

The ask for hardware owners is a bit much IMO, but...

actualidiot wrote:Cause most digital synths, mainly virtual analogs, suck tiny plastic dicks.

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This is basically a load of bullshit, and I say that as someone who's been using synths (analog or digital) since the end of the previous century and used to be on mailing lists like Analogue Heaven...

actualidiot wrote:A thing about digital synths though, is that they often lack the hands-on 'one-knob-per-function' interface.

That can be a valid point though.

oscillateur wrote:

actualidiot wrote:Cause most digital synths, mainly virtual analogs, suck tiny plastic dicks.

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This is basically a load of bullshit,

It's not, mate. It's my opinion. I don't like the way the vast majority of digital synths sound.

oscillateur wrote: and I say that as someone who's been using synths (analog or digital) since the end of the previous century and used to be on mailing lists like Analogue Heaven...

I fail to see how you being on a mailing list has anything to do with me disliking a certain sound. Your argument is like telling somebody who eats the shit out of McDonald's, that McDonald's suck cause you've been eating food your whole life, and surely you must know better. ¨

It's Analogue Haven btw.

oscillateur wrote:

actualidiot wrote:A thing about digital synths though, is that they often lack the hands-on 'one-knob-per-function' interface.

That can be a valid point though.

It's not a point, it's a matter of fact. I wasn't using it against digital synths. If there's a certain sound I want to achieve and the only way I can get that sound, is by menu-diving and parameter assignment, then I'll happily do just that.

Shit even menu diving shouldn't be dismissed outright, it's very different for each machine. I couldn't live without my Analog 4 for instance, and I love the menu based workflow, took me about 30 minutes to get the hang of.
That said, if you know what you want and all you have to learn is where it is in a particular machine, it's a lot easier than Learning the basics of synthesis from scratch in a menu heavy interface. I'd already spent years with VST synths so I knew exactly what the fuck I wanted and what every param does/thereabouts. If I was starting from scratch, then knob per function as a means of learning would be really fucking handy.

I gotta throw in another vote for the Roland Sys1. I'm a sucker for digital waveforms and that beast has some great ones. Or you could buy the sys1m and integrate it with an analog machine like the no coast or M32 and have the best of many, many worlds...

This is stating the obvious, but digital synthesis opens some possibilities that analog synthesis can't touch in a practical way; multi operator FM, additive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, not to mention sampling. To me analog or digital are just another bullet point on the spec sheet and have no bearing on how good a synth will be in the real world. I use a mix of whatever is at hand, but if I need a fat analog synth sound my go to is U-he Diva.

Well crap, now I want a System 1.