Best, Flanger, Ever, I can't wait to build mine...
Yes and no. Definitely the best flange tone. However, I wish it were capable of through-zero flanging. I'm using my Flanger Hoax for that right now, but I'd love to build my own someday so I can have all the options I want, and discard some of the stuff on the Hoax I never use.
bigchiefbc wrote:Yes and no. Definitely the best flange tone. However, I wish it were capable of through-zero flanging. I'm using my Flanger Hoax for that right now, but I'd love to build my own someday so I can have all the options I want, and discard some of the stuff on the Hoax I never use.
Ah yea... but I haven't seen an Analogue Through Zero Flanger that is simple enough for me to build yet (and doubt I will) that's something i'd just have to buy, this does some nice weird sounds and a nice enough flanger sweep for me, may not be true Through zero but I can live with that and it has been modded by some fine people to work on an MN3007 instead of an SAD1024 and is moddable to get a larger sweep too so i've read...
The only analogue one I can think of is the Foxrox TZF...
bigchiefbc wrote:Yes and no. Definitely the best flange tone. However, I wish it were capable of through-zero flanging. I'm using my Flanger Hoax for that right now, but I'd love to build my own someday so I can have all the options I want, and discard some of the stuff on the Hoax I never use.
Ah yea... but I haven't seen an Analogue Through Zero Flanger that is simple enough for me to build yet (and doubt I will) that's something i'd just have to buy, this does some nice weird sounds and a nice enough flanger sweep for me, may not be true Through zero but I can live with that and it has been modded by some fine people to work on an MN3007 instead of an SAD1024 and is moddable to get a larger sweep too so i've read...
The only analogue one I can think of is the Foxrox TZF...
Well, the flanger hoax is analogue as well.
Anyways, doing through-zero is not as hard as it sounds. You just need to have both signals run through a delay. You can run both delays off the same LFO, just offset 180 degrees from each other. It's not the easiest build in the world, but I don't see why its all that much more complexity than any other analogue flanger.
bigchiefbc wrote:Well, the flanger hoax is analogue as well.
Random question, but isn't the flanger hox really just a bunch of phasers? I played one and i tsounded more like different phasers to me, but that's just my take on it.
bigchiefbc wrote:Well, the flanger hoax is analogue as well.
Anyways, doing through-zero is not as hard as it sounds. You just need to have both signals run through a delay. You can run both delays off the same LFO, just offset 180 degrees from each other. It's not the easiest build in the world, but I don't see why its all that much more complexity than any other analogue flanger.
Is it? I don't really know the flanger hoax that well and given the name... i'd guess that's not true through zero either...
Also most designs use hard to obtain chips in my experience (and I hate flanger designs so am not about to go near them) which means a redesign for the MN3007... although thinking of it... I have actually seen a perfectly reasonable design for this in the past... i'l have to try and find it...
The other thing is... I know there are PCBs for Other Flangers, I haven't designed a PCB before (vero man) and i'm not about to start with a Flanger lol.
bigchiefbc wrote:Well, the flanger hoax is analogue as well.
Random question, but isn't the flanger hox really just a bunch of phasers? I played one and i tsounded more like different phasers to me, but that's just my take on it.
That's kinda what an Flanger is, Phasers and Flangers are very Closely Related, the Difference being Flangers produce more notches in the signal that are an even multiple of the frequency apart, if your interested, read this article.
bigchiefbc wrote:Well, the flanger hoax is analogue as well.
Random question, but isn't the flanger hox really just a bunch of phasers? I played one and i tsounded more like different phasers to me, but that's just my take on it.
That's kinda what an Flanger is, Phasers and Flangers are very Closely Related, the Difference being Flangers produce more notches in the signal that are an even multiple of the frequency apart, if your interested, read this article.
Phasers and flangers are very similar effects, in that they are both comb-filters (they create notches where your signal is cancelled out at certain points in your frequency spectrum), but they accomplish it in very different ways. Phasers pass your signal through a bunch of all-pass filters that don't change the sound, but shift the phase of your signal, and an LFO controls the phase shift. Then its all mixed back in with your dry signal. Flangers pass your signal through a delay chip, and an LFO sweeps the delay amount (usually from about 1 - 10 ms). Then it mixes the delayed signal back in with your dry signal.
To answer the questions about it here, the Flanger Hoax is an analogue pedal, and it is does real through-zero flanging, as well as phasing. It splits your signal in two paths, and each one has its own phaser and delay chip. If you turn both phaser switches off, you can get plain-old flanger sounds out of it. And you can also set the delay to not follow the LFO, and just get plain old phaser as well. Or you can combine them. Some day I'll get around to doing a full-on demo of it.
Blurillaz wrote: the infamous Dallas Arbiter Trem-Face. Simple tremolo, but are extremely rare. Some guy apparently found a hundred or so of them in a storage room quite a while back. Frank Zappa with a rare Dallas Arbiter Add-A-Sound It's a programmable octave box (?)
My dad owns both of these. He worked at the Dallas Arbiter warehouse back in the early 70s. it sounds pretty cool. I will have to record it one day. Right now I don't have the gear to though. I will probably get a 16 track digital recorder at some point. here's a photo of it. I don't know anyone or heard from anyone else who owns one.
I don't suppose there's any chance your dad would allow you to get some gut shots of these... The trem face there's already an schematic for but it's nice to see but the Arbiter Add-A-Sound i've only ever seen in one once... and wouldn't mind knowing what's going on inside there.
jonathan_519 wrote:My dad owns both of these. He worked at the Dallas Arbiter warehouse back in the early 70s. it sounds pretty cool. I will have to record it one day. Right now I don't have the gear to though. I will probably get a 16 track digital recorder at some point. here's a photo of it. I don't know anyone or heard from anyone else who owns one.
Proco's R2du rack mounted Rat(s) This is a dual circuit with channels A and B. Each channel has its own input/output so there are tons of different wiring configurations. All controlled with a footswitch. I have modded my A channel with the Rutez and the Lube Mods, Channel B is still stock. Footpedal is connected via a midi cable even though the unit is not a true midi unit. It wont work with out the FS plugged in either.
I dont think i've seen another unit in person, and only a few on ebay.
Is that the same shot of the guts that was on HCFX? More would be appreciated as the circuit isn't too familiar from that and from the sound samples, i'd love to trace and build one... and I don't wanna see a design dissapear into the ages.
