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less_cunning wrote:i don't think the Red & Meth stuff should be include. Reggie Nobles was never a member of Wu-Tang Clan nor did he ever rap on any Wu-Tang albums. IMO...

It's more for the Method Man Solo Cuts portion of the evening, and his partnership with Redman is important for that story, you know? And, I mean, "Blackout" and "Da Rockwilder."

BRRRRRRT! STICK 'EM! HA-HAHA, STICK 'EM!

i saw that "Redman as an unofficial Wu-tang Member" thing i think on the SY board. a while back. Redman was a member of the Hit Squad. Then the Def Squad. I could see someone making the case but i don't think it would ever hold up.

the first gravediggaz album is RZA rhyming at his best, though it's sort of 'out there' subject wise.
i don't know what was up with the way he changed his style after that.

less_cunning wrote:i saw that "Redman as an unofficial Wu-tang Member" thing i think on the SY board. a while back. Redman was a member of the Hit Squad. Then the Def Squad. I could see someone making the case but i don't think it would ever hold up.

I mean I would never suggest that Redman should be considered part of the Clan; his work with Meth, however, is vital to Meth's story, and accordingly it's reasonable to consider Blackout and Blackout 2 part of the Wu-Tang canon.

The only real unofficial Wu member, I'd say, is Cappadonna. You get a verse on "Triumph," you fucking count.

yeah i mean throwing "How High" on is not a stretch. but saying he is a member. that's some, you know, whatever: Cannon, no. Anthologie, maybe. Personal CD-R comp, be my guest...

For me it's all about the first Wu album, and the first round of solo albums.
The magic went downhill after that.

sev wrote:For me it's all about the first Wu album, and the first round of solo albums.
The magic went downhill after that.

yeah me too. it was re-invigorated a bit w/ "Supreme Clintele" & Masta Killa finally being able to get his soloshine on. but yeah. the second Wu-Tang album (a real disappointment for me) seemed too fractured & lacked grimyness & verve. i do think that the overall diminishing returns of post-36 Chambers albums had more to do w/ the slow steady death of hip-hop after, say, 1996.

but there was still some GOOD stuff from the middle period. mos def. has anyone ever read that "Wu-Tang" manual?

sev wrote:For me it's all about the first Wu album, and the first round of solo albums.
The magic went downhill after that.

*nods with agreement*

although GZA and RZA's solo stuff never dissappointed me.

Sometimes, Ghost.

Fishscale dropped in 2006 and that's one of my favorite Wu-related albums - I mean, "Shakey Dog"? Masterwork right there, the sort of thing you drop to establish that yes, you are better than everyone else.

Masta Killa didn't get his solo joint out until 2004, and that's got some serious fire on it. Blackout 2 is great. OBFCL2 looks like it's going to be excellent as well, if Raekwon spits as hard on that as he does on "Staten Go Hard" and so forth. There's always some good Wu shit going on somewhere.

Not a big fan of the Wu-Tang but ODB did a track with ICP called Bitches you should check out for shits and giggles

There are a lot of things wrong with that post, mayne.

Antero wrote:There are a lot of things wrong with that post, mayne.

Like what? If it was the reference to ICP well fuck it I grew up in Detroit and they were everywhere. I think its great that they talk shit about themselves in their songs. bitches is a good song...dont knock it until you hear it

Man, the Wu is the pre-eminent rap crew, encompassing a number of individuals with rap skills that completely eclipsed the competition. You could fill up your Top 5 Dead Or Alive entirely with Wu-Tang MCs and the only criticism would be that you'd seem dangerously obsessed. Their sound, style, and influence was a complete sea change for East Coast rap, directly influencing Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, and hundreds of others. They're a group of such stature, quality, and influence that a student of hip-hop simply must be familiar with their catalogue to have an understanding of the last fifteen years of rap.

They renamed Staten Island!

ICP, meanwhile, are wack MCs, and a weird little footnote in the history of rap. You're from Detroit - you up on Royce Da 5'9" or Black Milk?

[Edit]: I don't mean to be an asshole about this, but rap is important to me.

Antero wrote:Man, the Wu is the pre-eminent rap crew, encompassing a number of individuals with rap skills that completely eclipsed the competition. You could fill up your Top 5 Dead Or Alive entirely with Wu-Tang MCs and the only criticism would be that you'd seem dangerously obsessed. Their sound, style, and influence was a complete sea change for East Coast rap, directly influencing Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, and hundreds of others. They're a group of such stature, quality, and influence that a student of hip-hop simply must be familiar with their catalogue to have an understanding of the last fifteen years of rap.

They renamed Staten Island!

ICP, meanwhile, are wack MCs, and a weird little footnote in the history of rap. You're from Detroit - you up on Royce Da 5'9" or Black Milk?

[Edit]: I don't mean to be an asshole about this, but rap is important to me.

Not to mention RZA's raw genius beats...and all the producers he's influenced.

yeah, i mean i didn't really get into wu-tang until 2004, so to me, its all pretty consistent quality (y'know, beside U-God solo albums ). maybe its that i was never a fan of one album and had a super long anticipation/ build up for the second one kinda thing. Also, I like current stuff about as much as the classics.


also, its pretty weird the quantity of inappropriate guest-starring ODB did.

oh, and i think rap is better now than it was in the 90s, for sure.