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ChetMagongalo wrote:maybe you had a bad experience and blind to the fact that velcro is amazing for pedalboards

You have no idea just how bad or how many times. Velcro is DEAD to me. DEAD I TELL YOU. DEAD!!!!

ChetMagongalo wrote:

HighDeaf1080p wrote:If it MUST be Velcro...If we've really come down to THAT...is there some kind of industrial adhesive (even if it requires a special permit to acquire) that will actually stay stuck to the back of a pedal and a board, regardless of temperature and environmental concerns?

I've never had this issue with velcro, maybe you had a bad experience and blind to the fact that velcro is amazing for pedalboards, also paying money for a board is dumb, making your own is easy even if you aren't that handy. and its fun! but lots of people buy pedalboards so maybe I'm wrong

truth! this thing cost $10 in materials (before velcro). I use industrial velcro from home depot and never have problems. possible to remove from the pedal without any gunk, too!

Buy industrial strength velcro on Ebay, it's sold by the foot. I also use zip ties for some pedals (Digitech) and bicycle chain links (screw them into the board) but velcro is actually easiest. I just don't like to use it on pedals with fancy-painted bottoms, or pedals with rubber bottoms (it doesn't stick).

My pedal boards are pine boards from home depot, cut to length and painted black. Carried in suitcase or gym bag. I'm not a touring musician though.

Might change things a bit...I just bought a Patchulator 8000.

In this way, I hope I can bolt the pedals down and forget about it...and do all my moving with patch cables instead, of physically rearranging the pedals.

I will divide them into 8 categories and and see how I make out. This will allow me to try things that right now are just too much of a pain in the ass...like moving my compressor to behind my dirt pedals, or to behind my reverb. Gotta buy new cables for the connection to the Patchulator, cuz my mogami pancakes wont fit on it...but once I get it laid out and working how I want, if I'm happy with it, I'll buy a pedal board from temple audio that is the right size/shape and bolt everything down permanently. I'm thinking a TRIO 28 is the right size to exactly fit everything with the patchulator in the center of the board.

And this time I will try my damnedest to run the audio patch cables underneath as well, since the patchulator cables are the only ones I should typically need to rearrange.

Here's what I'm thinking:

Side 1: Guitar input, and Amp output
Side 2: Superego input/output
Side 3: Superego Effects Loop in/out (switchable to Meet Maude Effects Loop, or Bi-Filter's Effects Loop)
Side 4: Compressor and Arpanoid
Side 5: Dirt/Gain Pedals
Side 6: EHX Bi-Filter and MEL9
Side 7: Modulation Effects (flanger, phaser, ring modulator, romferd)
Side 8: Time based effects (delays and reverb)

Below is a layout on a TRIO 28 from Temple Audio. Tight, but seems to work.

Perforated strap, sometimes called plumber's strap. Like the bicycle chain method, probably cheaper. You can rearrange at the cost of being more time consuming. The big bonus is that it helps make your board semi-permanent instead of a revolving door.

Pedaltrain is great for a variety of reasons. DIY is great if you (or a friend) has a couple of tools and some time to make something a bit more personal. My favorite board I made was made from a rectangular guitar case, used the lid side and made the guitar side removable, it was easy to haul being lightweight, would do again if I ever upsized. Right now I am using a tool case I bought from Menards, about a PT Jr in size. In the past I used a large keyboard case and built it up with pine to hide power supplies under the 2nd tier, but the monster weighed way too much. Again though, Pedaltrain is pretty great if you can't DIY.

Awww yeah! There's about to be some serious mad scientist shit going down all up in this bitch!

Just a heads up, if you go the bicycle links route, don't buy the kind marketed to guitar players - they're marked up a ridiculous amount (like 2 bucks for 4 links). For about 10 bucks you can buy a bagful of links on Ebay, just recycle the other side of the chain (which you don't need). Look in the bicycle category, not Musical Instruments.

Actually, for this reason I have a bunch and I'll send them to you guys, if anybody wants to try them. PM me. I bought a bag on Ebay.

Also, 2 links is enough to secure most pedals unless they're huge or heavy (and even then, 2 may be enough). You don't need to screw down all four corners.