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Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:44 pm
by Iommic Pope
Yeah I think 4/6/12 is doable on the Moog (? Moog guys correct me).
I just want those Steve von Till 12 stage sounds.
Such wobble. So chewy. Much wow.

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:41 pm
by echorec
Iommic Pope wrote:Yeah I think 4/6/12 is doable on the Moog (? Moog guys correct me).
I just want those Steve von Till 12 stage sounds.
Such wobble. So chewy. Much wow.
The Moog is 6/12. The most versatile phaser, in terms of control over stages, is the Frequency Central Sonic Death Ray. It goes 4/6/8/10/12/14.

I got mine through Prymaxe on clearance, and I haven't seen one for sale since then. It's an amazing phaser. It doesn't have a wet/dry blend or depth pot, but if you're lucky enough to acquire one of these, you won't even miss that.

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:46 pm
by chaseblissaudio
echorec wrote:
chaseblissaudio wrote:
echorec wrote:I’ve yet to find a good slow setting for the Wombtone. It’s insanely chewy and exotic, especially with the DIP switches, but I wouldn’t recommend it to someone as their only phaser. It’s not a utility pedal to me.
What version of Wombtone do you have, just curious...
Man, you're always stalking me. If it's not here, it's Instagram, or YouTube, what's that about? :hello:

It's not that the Wombtone can't do slow, but in terms of its own unique properties, I feel it's stronger and more dynamic in other areas. In terms of coloration and texture, I feel that's a poor way to apply it. When I say that I don't see it as a utility pedal, what I mean is that I see the Wombtone like a Bugatti. It's a high-performance, sophisticated, and exotic piece of engineering. ---BUT you don't buy a Bugatti to take your kids to school, or to dash by the grocery store for milk and bread. A pedal like the Empress Phaser is like a sports utility vehicle. You can basically do any routine task with it. You can go on a date, grab the kids after soccer practice, go to the office, go by the factory...BUT you don't buy a rugged SUV to drive around Monaco.

To me using the Wombtone for routine slow sweeps is like buying a luxury sports car, when you live in a lazy town where all the roads are 30 MPH straightaways. Why would I buy a $200K automobile to drive 30 mph on a road without curves? To me the Wombtone is something you want to show off, not something you want to bury in the mix by rolling back the pots to 11:00 and setting the rate to minimum. So perhaps it's unfair to say it's not a utility pedal, as technically speaking it can be driven at slower speeds----however once someone's been exposed to all of the bubbly hiccups and trem-phase rhythms inside, that other phasers can't touch, you're losing so much of its essence by hiding all of that extra color and movement, in order to get a more straightforward down-tempo sweep. Thankfully my garage has about 20 phasers inside, so I don't have to choose one over another.
but but... you didn't answer my question :poke:

I ask because the Wombtone mk1.1 (upgradeable from Wombtone mk1) and Wombtone mk2 go 4x slower than the original Wombtone mk1. Further, you can 2 do stage phasing with mk1.1 and mk2. So with the feedback knob and ability to do 2, 4, and 6 stages I would hope that you'd find something that suits your fancy.

And sure, sticking with the car analogy... you can do the flashy stuff now and again, but Wombtone got presets do, so it's happy to do the utility tasks too. it likes to pick up the kids at soccer practice. It enjoys that sort of thing.

I'm sorry I feel kind of dumb for posting I just wanted to make you aware, *if* you have Wombtone mk1 that I do free upgrades to Wombtone mk1.1

Joel

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:49 pm
by D.o.S.
But can it do Stranglehold?

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:37 pm
by echorec
chaseblissaudio wrote:And sure, sticking with the car analogy... you can do the flashy stuff now and again, but Wombtone got presets do, so it's happy to do the utility tasks too. it likes to pick up the kids at soccer practice. It enjoys that sort of thing.
I didn't pay top dollar to drive my Wombtone like a minivan. I've got something like 15 other phasers for that. Maybe you're just not a car guy, Joel. Maybe it's your mild, Midwestern temperament that makes my car analogy fall short of the bullseye. Maybe les femmes?

You need to forgot about this silly notion of the WT as being a phaser for the people. It's an elitist phaser, conceived by dorks, manufactured for dorks...to impress other dorks. She's the French supermodel with a master's degree in architecture (of phasers) of my space age dreams. She's not some lot lizard giving HJ's to truckers for $25 a tug. She's spoiled, she's difficult to impress, she's clever, but above all she's exotic. You can't just throw her into some mom jeans and a cardigan, expecting her to remain faithful. She'll leave you if you try too hard to domesticate her.

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:41 pm
by friendship
Iommic Pope wrote:
friendship wrote:I'd rather have 2/4/6 stage or even just 2/4 is that wrong ethically
Yes.


Moar stages is best stages.

Nah, 2 and 4 are probably better for slow sweeps, but you do get those extra little warbles on 6+ which is nice.
6 stage phasers don't shine until you get into higher speeds, but it's so worth it when you get there.
I just don't like how easily the oscillators of more stages take over the input signal, especially when the resonance is turned up. But I don't use phase much so maybe I'm missing the secret chill modes like you're describing

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 pm
by friendship
Also weird misogynistic objectification of phase shifters in two pages, huh?

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:46 pm
by D.o.S.
AND NO STRANGLEHOLD?!

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:56 pm
by friendship
ah yes, the barracuda of phaser

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:58 pm
by echorec
friendship wrote:Also weird misogynistic objectification of phase shifters in two pages, huh?
Image

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:59 pm
by GardenoftheDead
I'll just be the stick in the mud and say every phaser on the goddamn planet sounds exactly the same

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:02 am
by echorec
GardenoftheDead wrote:I'll just be the stick in the mud and say every phaser on the goddamn planet sounds exactly the same
That doesn't sound like a very informed stick.

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:03 am
by D.o.S.
GardenoftheDead wrote:I'll just be the stick in the mud and say every phaser on the goddamn planet sounds exactly the same
#notallphasers

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:38 am
by GardenoftheDead
echorec wrote:
GardenoftheDead wrote:I'll just be the stick in the mud and say every phaser on the goddamn planet sounds exactly the same
That doesn't sound like a very informed stick.
I have played many and listened to more. They all go "whoosh"

Re: I can't believe this...I need a phaser

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:38 am
by ThorZ
echorec wrote:
chaseblissaudio wrote:And sure, sticking with the car analogy... you can do the flashy stuff now and again, but Wombtone got presets do, so it's happy to do the utility tasks too. it likes to pick up the kids at soccer practice. It enjoys that sort of thing.
I didn't pay top dollar to drive my Wombtone like a minivan. I've got something like 15 other phasers for that. Maybe you're just not a car guy, Joel. Maybe it's your mild, Midwestern temperament that makes my car analogy fall short of the bullseye. Maybe les femmes?

You need to forgot about this silly notion of the WT as being a phaser for the people. It's an elitist phaser, conceived by dorks, manufactured for dorks...to impress other dorks. She's the French supermodel with a master's degree in architecture (of phasers) of my space age dreams. She's not some lot lizard giving HJ's to truckers for $25 a tug. She's spoiled, she's difficult to impress, she's clever, but above all she's exotic. You can't just throw her into some mom jeans and a cardigan, expecting her to remain faithful. She'll leave you if you try too hard to domesticate her.
The suspense is killing me, you keep avoiding the question dude which WT do you have??