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Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:07 pm
by tremolo3
idk
I hope so.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:10 pm
by goroth
It's also to do with how we measure peak wattage. The rms output of the amplifier should be measured at the point the amp goes from clean to break up. Many solid state amps break up late, and the breakup is not particularly pleasing, which leads to the maximum used volume being delivered towards the end of the volume knob, and it is not generally exceeded. Tube amps in many of the more popular configurations break up early, but after that point you will still get an increase in volume, but your signal will be slightly clipped. Slight clipping is pretty much compressing the signal, leading to a higher average output, which the ear translates as a higher output. So your tube amp on three is doing the same thing as your equivalently powered ss amp at 9. And beyond that point you are getting real, but distorted volume increases, and perceived volume increases.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:13 pm
by friendship
a maestro fuzz tone is just a tone bender that hasn't done enough reps

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:14 pm
by Dandolin
Geez, Mr. G. I think if I read through that through a few more times I will actually understand this. For this, I dub thee Expert.

friendship, I can't argue with that.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:31 pm
by rfurtkamp
You gotta #belieb.

That's all you need to know.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:00 pm
by Dandolin
rfurtkamp wrote:You gotta #belieb.

That's all you need to know.
Thread motto. :lol: :joy:

And, true, I had no idea. #yolo

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:23 pm
by Gone Fission
The Marshall 100 watt heads used early on by The Who, Cream, and Hendrix were what we would now consider "bass" models. Even where Hendrix and Cream started using the new Super Lead models, these were the bass preamp with a bright cap added.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:13 pm
by cheesecats
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bqRAfOi4WY[/youtube]

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:58 pm
by braaandooon
After finally getting to see montage of heck this evening, the movie inspired me to provide a little Kurt Cobain fun fact... Kurt used an ibanez super metal to record "You know you're right".

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:05 am
by Dandolin
braaandooon bringin it. bring it, bring it all y'alls, stick ya arcane knowledge, rare facts, tidbits and whatnot up in here...no, really, pretend I'm not here... .

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:37 pm
by braaandooon
Dillinger Escape Plan's Calculating Infinity was my up and at it jam this morning, and was reminded of this funny memory of Greg Puciato.

Greg was massively irritated with the headliners(Puddle of Mud, Prodigy) at the 2002 Reading Festival. Apparently DEP were booted from their respective dressing room in order make space for Prodigy's extra guests.

When DEP took the stage Greg exclaimed "Heres a preview of what you the fans will have see this evening!" He then dropped trou and "shat" into a bag and flung it to the crowd. They were subsequently banned from performing in the U.K. after the incident.

The incident is also an unofficial world record of "the largest public viewing of a loaf being pinched"

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:25 pm
by adapt
those nature valley granola bars are just cereal granola in bar form.

in fact, they came to general mills, IN bar form, and GM had to crush 'em all up to put them in cereal. an employee at GM was like "why don't we just sell the bars..?"

then he quit GM and now owns nature valley. just selling the bars straight from the company. freekish granola.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:46 pm
by Jero
I learned about jackalopes from MTG.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:51 pm
by ShaunNecro
The way I see it is that most tube amps are rated at the max wattage they can get clean, so my Ampeg V4 is rated at 100 watts clean, but in reality, it can get up to 250+ watts fully overdriven and still sound good. So when people see a "100" watt tube amp pushed to it limits, they think its 100 watts. Meanwhile, solid state amp are rated to its clean limit, but people tend not to push them further than their rated limits due to the "ugly solid state distortion".

So people take a tube amps absolute max (which could be up to 260% of the stated wattage) and compare it to a solid state amps maximum clean.

Re: Tell me something I don't know

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:23 pm
by casecandy
This is not very well-written. I am too tired to spice it up LOL. I am sorry.

Everybody credits Jimi Hendrix with popularizing the Marshall stack, and I suppose it's deserved.

They credit him with being the first true star of the solid-body electric guitar, too, and I suppose that that's deserved.

But in truth, they should be crediting another man, at least in part: Pete Townshend.

People often say that the fastest route to mid-Beatles tones is a VOX AC30 paired with an Epiphone Casino, but most of Revolver was actually recorded on a '59 Fender Bassman. The VOX amps The Beatles liked were more from their late period; all of Sgt. Pepper's used a solid-state pre-amp, KT88 power section amp.

Similarly, a lot of the amps Pete is associated with in his early days came to be that way through accident or mythmaking. For example, someone in this thread noted that Woodstock had a lot of Sunn amps on stage, so that explains that. He was often seen with Sunns because they were the only American amp that got as loud as Pete's beloved Marshalls (more on this in a second). Similarly, he used VOX at Monterey Pop because it was all they could get in America at the time. The band's manager and sometimes producer Kit Lambert said that they didn't have enough money to import the Marshall stuff.

Jimi Hendrix, who was introduced to Marshall by Pete, did have the money, and that's why he lit his Stratocaster on fire in front of a Marshall stack. And that's why the American public associated Jimi with Marshall more than anyone else.

Unbeknownst to them, Pete Townshend not only played but co-invented the Marshall stack. His original idea was a full 8x12 stack, but this proved too cumbersome even for a large touring band, so he had Jim split it into an angled 4x12 and a straight 4x12 and stack them. The volume of the early Plexis, too, was a direct result of Pete's request for as much volume as possible. (The Hiwatt company, too, was driven forward by Pete. The custom amps are all based on the "Super Who" one-offs that can be heard on the Live At Leeds album.)

In addition, Pete can even be credited for discovering Jimi to some extent. Obviously, Jimi was going places no matter what, but it can't be ignored that he was first signed to Track Records!

So there!

Also, re: American VOX amps, it was totally a licensing deal and the "black diamond" amps are in no way connected to the British "brown diamond" originals, other than through the name (even the logo was different). They only produced tube amps for a few years and then switched the whole thing over to SS. Pete hated the amps he was forced to play Monterey with, so when you watch the performance, it's a legitimate display of gleeful rage you're seeing when he destroys them with his Stratocaster. He bragged of chopping a VOX Super Beatle (again, marketing, no official connection to The Beatles) clean in half with a Stratocaster which he picked up and strummed, finding that it was still perfectly in tune!

"The only good amp [VOX] ever made was the AC30," he said in an interview with Hit Parade.

One final note, Jimmy Page, too, is often associated with the Marshall and Hiwatt stacks, and while he did play them live, he really ought to be associated more with Orange. An early proponent of the Orange Matamps, he exclusively plays Orange today, the AD50 and AD30 models. An AD30 is nice but it's not that nice! I mean, it's made in China! And the first couple LZ records were recorded on a low-wattage, solid-state Valco. And played a Danelectro his whole career. For the world's biggest-ever rock star he's kind of low-rent!

So, final summation: Marshall stack is eternally Pete Townshend's.