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univalve wrote:Just as info: there are three versions of the DP-01. mine is the 6618. here are all listed: http://www.stompboxes.co.uk/DP-01.html

Tris, LSTR is in comparison to the Pharao kind of underwhelming. But it is nice for compressed high gain riffing.

Totally agreed.
I guess there's something for everyone in Muff land.
Some tend to be more high gain, more distortion like, heavier, tighter and punchier, more woolly or fuzzy, it all depends on which combination of these characteristics you like.
The LSTR is more of what in general I'd expect a Muff to sound like and why I didn't think I liked Muff circuits before, it's more a high gain distortion than a fuzz to me, most EHX offerings I played fall into this camp as well.
Before the DP-01, Dope Priest, Hoof and Pharaoh I didn't know a Muff could sound heavy, tight and punchy yet still maintain this fuzzy side instead of only being woolly, for that very reason those are also my favourite Muffs so far as that's exactly the type I like.
I can see though that for others with other playing style / other instruments / other sound preferences / other etc. it can be exactly the other way around.

Tristan wrote:

univalve wrote:Just as info: there are three versions of the DP-01. mine is the 6618. here are all listed: http://www.stompboxes.co.uk/DP-01.html

Tris, LSTR is in comparison to the Pharao kind of underwhelming. But it is nice for compressed high gain riffing.

Totally agreed.
I guess there's something for everyone in Muff land.
Some tend to be more high gain, more distortion like, heavier, tighter and punchier, more woolly or fuzzy, it all depends on which combination of these characteristics you like.
The LSTR is more of what in general I'd expect a Muff to sound like and why I didn't think I liked Muff circuits before, it's more a high gain distortion than a fuzz to me, most EHX offerings I played fall into this camp as well.
Before the DP-01, Dope Priest, Hoof and Pharaoh I didn't know a Muff could sound heavy, tight and punchy yet still maintain this fuzzy side instead of only being woolly, for that very reason those are also my favourite Muffs so far as that's exactly the type I like.
I can see though that for others with other playing style / other instruments / other sound preferences / other etc. it can be exactly the other way around.

The LSTR definitely is closer to the V7 ed. 1&2's in that regard, more fuzz-tortion than fuzz, where my V7 ed 3 is a little more aggressive, and as I like to call it "plasticy crunchy" sounding for lack of a better descriptor. The mids are more forward and aggressive, yet not full on and TB/Super Fuzz like aggressive.

But yeah, funny enough my buddy prefers the LSTR by a long way, and me I prefer the V7 ed. 3 by a little.

I'm another that prefers the Pharaoh or Pharaoh Supreme to the LSTR. The Pharaoh is just so unique sounding and massive and drives an amp like no other muff I've owned. If I'm looking for a higher gain tighter muff option I prefer the Earthbound Supercollider or Supercollider '71 variation or the Blackout Blunderbuss.

LSTR definitely doesn't have the power/output of a Pharaoh (or the versatility). I love both for different applications, but I probably wouldn't recommend either for bass.

LSTR is cool for a range of rude muff tones and the ability to scoop OR boost the midrange, and works far better than other Black Arts pedals at low volume. Pharaoh doesn't do scooped mids but the eq and gain range on tap is astounding, and it may be the best pedal I've ever used for stacking.

Never used a Bluebeard, unfortunately, but I have used pedals based on the violet ram's head muff circuit, which I believe is in the Bluebeard's lineage. Like Schnikes said, for the fuzz-tortion (or bass) side of things I'd go Supercolliding, and for the more traditional side of muffy fuzz I'd point you towards the '71 version.

I've tried the Supercollider and I preferred the Bluebeard as a high gain fuzz. at lower gain setting the SC was very cool but again I perefer my Oxfuzz Bass for that. I happened to find a Dunwich Wizard Fuzz and have purchased that. Not being muff based it should be a nice compliment to the Bluebeard.

I don't see how any pedal could require more output than the LSTR. Even with the Fuzz on zero and the volume at 3/4 it will pound your input stage into faithful submission. Last night I was running the Tremoverb with the Gain @ like 1/4 on the distortion channel, but the Master up over 1/2 and the LSTR set like that for as fuzzy boost was just killing into it. So thick, chunky, but yet plenty of bass and mids. It definitely stays more coherent and solid then the germ. Tonebender Mk II set similarly, not that spitty and juicy is a bad thing.

I also don't see the complaints of it mushing out or getting lost in a mix. I was jamming with my buddy who was playing his '80s Aria Thor II with SD's into a 6505+. That mix is made to cut, and I had a hard time NOT drowning HIM out.

You could just do what I do ad run 2 Bluebeards in parallel........