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Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:49 am
by blakestree
The Mad Titan wrote:
I wish. He's very stingy with them, but every once in a while he surprises me.
Sounds like my cat!
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Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:02 pm
by blakestree
The Mad Titan wrote:AxAxSxS wrote:all on point. another thing to consider....
The JCA cab I looked up has "Custom eminence drivers" and is rated for 400 watts. so if you have 2 of those and two reaper 55's you can wire the sides to be 60/200, or 130/130.
Personally I'd rather not have the option of plugging a powerful head into a side rated for 60 watts. You may not have a head like that now, but why limit yourself.
NO YOU CAN'T!!!!
If the Reaper's are 30 watts, then the most any side with one Reaper and any other speaker rated 30 watts and above can be is 60 watts. When speaker matching the rule is your wattage rating = n(x), where n is the number of speakers and x is the wattage rating of the lowest watt speaker.
My Mesa cab for example has 2 100 watt Fanes and 2 30 watt Celestions. Total wattage rating is 120 watts.
No worries, I'll only be using a 15W Pro Junior and a 20W Micro Terror. This is just for home use.
It is worth noting, though, that all I've really been able to find out about the Jet City Eminences is that they are 100W and 16ohm. So, I don't know their sensitivity, frequency response or resonance. From their physical appearance, the closest thing I think they come to is a Legend 1275.
http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speake ... egend_1275
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:41 pm
by The Mad Titan
blakestree wrote:The Mad Titan wrote:Sure. For me speaker matching is about finding complimentary combinations that provide a bigger, more 3d, richer tone than either speaker would have provided on its own. So if I was splitting them I would want to be able to have stereo sides, each with a mixed pair, but I would also want to hear each speaker as equally well as any other characteristics (sensitivity, tone) allow. That's why I tend to keep all my speakers between 100 and 102 db and match pairs to suite each's strength and weakness.
Also, if you're worried about achieving the largest stereo spread, then it's not speaker types you need to worry about, it's the distance between stereo pairs of speakers. You are not going to get a large and well defined spread out of 1 cab.
That makes good sense for why to mix them, per side, but what about the 55Hz on the bottom and Jet City's on top?
I am probably being too optimistic about stereo effect from the 4X12. Knowing that, inside, has probably fueled my desire to make each side completely different. I originally thought about using my Pro Junior combo and a 1X12, with Micro Terror, for better separation. However, I ultimately decided pushing air was more important to me.
If I had two significantly louder speakers paired with two lower sensitivity speakers (say 100+ db and 98 db speakers) in the same cab, or in stacked 2x12's, then I'd put the louder speakers on the bottom so I can still hear the quieter speakers well in the mix. Other than that I want to hear them evenly, and if you put two pairs of evenly loud speakers on top of each other, then you're going to mostly hear the pair on the top.
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:22 pm
by blakestree
Thanks for taking the time to explain things for me. I wish I knew more about the Jet City Eminence speakers, so I could tell if they are a good match. I've seen people describe them as dark, and good for taming an overly bright amps. However, I know I want the Reapers. So, if they aren't a good match with the Jet City's, I'll look for something other to go with them.
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:54 pm
by Gone Fission
I'd contact Jet City and Emi both for details--both companies tend to be pretty helpful. I have always heard that they are really close to one of the standard a Legend speakers, but I don't know any of the specs.
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:34 pm
by frigid midget
blakestree wrote:
No worries, I'll only be using a 15W Pro Junior and a 20W Micro Terror. This is just for home use.
A half stack "for home use". The force is strong in you, young jedi
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:38 pm
by blakestree
frigid midget wrote:
A half stack "for home use". The force is strong in you, young jedi
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Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:29 am
by whiskey_face
tell me about the blue + greenback combo
ive been curious about putting a blue in my ad15 after I heard a pair of them in a Mohave 30 watt. fuck they sounded incredible.
Re: 4X12 speaker configuration
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:56 pm
by The Mad Titan
whiskey_face wrote:tell me about the blue + greenback combo
ive been curious about putting a blue in my ad15 after I heard a pair of them in a Mohave 30 watt. fuck they sounded incredible.
Those aren't Celestion G12's and G12M's, those are Fane AXA12's and Celestion G12H(55)'s.
They sound incredible.