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Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:24 am
by dase
I'm hanging out for one with the mellotron voices.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:26 am
by rfurtkamp
John wrote:I wish they'd come out with a bass one. I know you could just use a pitch shifter etc etc and I've used every variant of octaving etc etc, but this technology applied to really reproducing a bass sound from other sources would be great.
Think the reason is (a) market is smaller, and (b) tracking suffers a little even on hex pickup stuff when you get to thicker strings and lower notes - it will require a LOT more skill and dedication on the part of the operator, and frankly, not sure that it'll do any semblance of poly tracking on bass-register stuff without a dedicated PU.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:14 am
by DarkAxel
dase wrote:I'm hanging out for one with the mellotron voices.
Mello strings and choirs are the best keys sounds ever created, that's why I'm baffled they used the flutes :idk:

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:22 am
by BitchPudding
DarkAxel wrote:
dase wrote:I'm hanging out for one with the mellotron voices.
Mello strings and choirs are the best keys sounds ever created, that's why I'm baffled they used the flutes :idk:
They used the flute cause it immediately reminds peeps of Strawberry Fields Forever. This secures the Beatles fans.

I would have preferred strings myself as well.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:43 am
by TheOndrakGuy
Holding out for the dedicated Mellotron pedal that now HAS to happen. I'm not too bothered by organs, but throwing a Mellotron through my signal chain could get things WEIRD pretty fast... and I'm about that.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:06 am
by oscillateur
leaves turn wrote:They're cool but for the price of two of these I could hook up a Minibrute to my board, which I think I'd like more. :idk:
There's a world of difference between an organ (any type) and a monophonic analog synth. Well, obviously without even talking about sounds, one of them is monophonic...
I'd actually be interested in knowing how this thing sounds with something else than guitar as an input.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:56 pm
by Jero
oscillateur wrote:I'd actually be interested in knowing how this thing sounds with something else than guitar as an input.
...like my toy keyboards :idea:

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:11 pm
by Bassus Sanguinis
Jero wrote:
oscillateur wrote:I'd actually be interested in knowing how this thing sounds with something else than guitar as an input.
...like my toy keyboards :idea:
:lol: have I told You before I like the way You think? No? Well, I do.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:29 pm
by oscillateur
Jero wrote:
oscillateur wrote:I'd actually be interested in knowing how this thing sounds with something else than guitar as an input.
...like my toy keyboards :idea:
Yeah, same thing. That and my modular, and drum machines :animal:

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:27 am
by ThurberMingus
sonidero wrote:Wanted: Guitarist to Pretend to be an Organist for Classic Rocks Covers Band...

I was gonna post this the other day... Not sure if it's the Crystal Latticeness of his Kemper or the pedal but something sounds off...

Bet this sounds cool when used improperly as ILFers are wont to do...
I know this guy that plays in a jam/cover band in the town I used to live in. He is so about trying to make his guitar sound like an organ. He uses a Super Ego and one of those Hughes and Kettner Rotovibes a ton. He is probably shitting his pants about this pedal. I should tell him about it, he didn't seem that into the idea of a POG last time I talked to him about it.

For the record I do really like how this pedal sounds. Can someone buy it and run it through a Buzz?

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:02 pm
by moogboy
Re why they did flutes and not other Tron sounds:

Recreating a flute sound with the circuitry/code at the heart of the B9/C9 is a piece of cake. Fundamentally, both of these pedals are the exact same thing with different presets. All you need to do to get a convincing flute sound is set it a certain way (light fundamental, a few even upper harmonics, a decent bit of the key click) and boom, you've gone and recreated the flute preset on every organ from the first Hammond onward up to the ones you can buy in Evola Music today. The R&D for more C9/B9 pedals is literally "sit around playing with creating new presets all day and save the cool ones," but to recreate a Mellotron String/Cello/Choir would require a good deal more work. Recreating the String would start with making a guitar/whatever you put in sound like a violin, and then mangling it with some kinda tape and preamp simulation, and the choir would probably take some variation of formant filtering on a super pure set of harmonics (higher harmonics for the female choir, deeper, richer harmonics for the male choir).

All that said, if anyone is gonna do it, it's gonna be EHX, and they're gonna do it the best.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:52 pm
by odontophobia
moogboy wrote:Re why they did flutes and not other Tron sounds:

Recreating a flute sound with the circuitry/code at the heart of the B9/C9 is a piece of cake. Fundamentally, both of these pedals are the exact same thing with different presets. All you need to do to get a convincing flute sound is set it a certain way (light fundamental, a few even upper harmonics, a decent bit of the key click) and boom, you've gone and recreated the flute preset on every organ from the first Hammond onward up to the ones you can buy in Evola Music today. The R&D for more C9/B9 pedals is literally "sit around playing with creating new presets all day and save the cool ones," but to recreate a Mellotron String/Cello/Choir would require a good deal more work. Recreating the String would start with making a guitar/whatever you put in sound like a violin, and then mangling it with some kinda tape and preamp simulation, and the choir would probably take some variation of formant filtering on a super pure set of harmonics (higher harmonics for the female choir, deeper, richer harmonics for the male choir).

All that said, if anyone is gonna do it, it's gonna be EHX, and they're gonna do it the best.
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Teasing lots of EHX love hate on ILF.

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Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:09 pm
by BitchPudding
Oh behndyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:02 pm
by moogboy
Picked one of these up today, and it's fucking rad. The straight up organ sounds are really good (and generally speaking better than the B9 for what I like musically, but that's a personal preference thing), but the C9 shines in the non-organ modes, in my opinion. The Mellotron flutes are really, really nice. Hit it with a boosting compressor and it starts to get just a little bit dirty/wooly. Shimmer is all kinds of fun, especially feeding into fuzz/stutter/more delay and reverb. The Telstar/Clavioline preset is super kitschy and stupid but honestly I could see myself using it for all kinds of shit-solos, sound effects, the Telstar cover I didn't know I wanted to have in my sets, etc.

Re: EHX C9 Organ Machine (Yo dawg, where's the A9?)

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:51 pm
by pktrono
rfurtkamp wrote:
John wrote:I wish they'd come out with a bass one. I know you could just use a pitch shifter etc etc and I've used every variant of octaving etc etc, but this technology applied to really reproducing a bass sound from other sources would be great.
Think the reason is (a) market is smaller, and (b) tracking suffers a little even on hex pickup stuff when you get to thicker strings and lower notes - it will require a LOT more skill and dedication on the part of the operator, and frankly, not sure that it'll do any semblance of poly tracking on bass-register stuff without a dedicated PU.
these use FFT, so there isn't any tracking going on. i'd like to know what FFT size/overlap they're using though, as that could tell you more about whether a bass version would be an easy thing to do. that said, we haven't heard it with bass. it could sound just fine!